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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 05:07 PM
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I'll take that bet. There will be PLENTY of physical controls and gear selectors in 5 years. Apple can also do away with the other buttons on the phone but they don't.
OK. I'll set a reminder . One my best friends is head of the iPhone hardware engineering and basically they got of rid of any buttons they could. Tell me how would you put a volume button in the screen for example? It wouldn't make sense put a volume button in smart phone screen, the process of turning up the volume would take too long, and their is not enough space. Even Tesla puts the volume controls on the steering wheel. I'm in IT, work with a ton of EE and Mechanical engineers, so I know how this stuff works

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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 05:16 PM
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Why couldn't you put a volume button on the screen? Just put it right on the edge. The smart button is also not necessary at all.
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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 05:18 PM
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Why couldn't you put a volume button on the screen? Just put it right on the edge. The smart button is also not necessary at all.
Straight from the Jill toolbox of logic. I can see you are grasping for straws, which is going to continue all night. So I'll save us both the headache and respectfully bail out
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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 05:20 PM
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What makes a volume button different than any other button?!


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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Why couldn't you put a volume button on the screen? Just put it right on the edge. The smart button is also not necessary at all.
I think it would be safer that way and build it into the bezel.

For the record, we can't compare this to an Apple cell phone.

Why?
Because we're not supposed to be using our cell phones when driving due to safety reasons, Duh. Lol
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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 05:48 PM
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Cell phones and cars are also different tools. For instance they haven’t created virtual keyboard laptops. iPads have available folios with keyboards because physical keyboards are better.
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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I totally disagree. I have a friend with a Model S who actually crashed it because she thought she had slid it up into drive and it didn't and stayed in reverse and she backed into the flagpole on her property. Its not a complicated mechanism, its a simple controller.
And no one has ever crashed their car because they put it in the wrong gear. Even when the shifter was about as simple and obvious as it gets. I'd love to see the video of that crash, she must have used it to show the insurance company so they didn't blame her.
And you're right, I want an EV to feel like what I am used to...as do many many mainstream car buyers. You're looking for something different and high tech and cutting edge, people like me aren't. If you want people like me to make the shift to EVs then carmakers need to provide products that feel very familiar to us. Luckily, they are doing exactly that.
This very thinking killed RIM.
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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 06:49 PM
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And no one has ever crashed their car because they put it in the wrong gear. Even when the shifter was about as simple and obvious as it gets. I'd love to see the video of that crash, she must have used it to show the insurance company so they didn't blame her..
I see your point and there is no doubt user error was involved in both cases.

However, I believe shifting on a touch screen might proove to be more user error prone which the mfgs should take seriously.

And they do, all of my saws have blade guards on them to keep me from chopping off my fingers. lol

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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 07:07 PM
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However, I believe shifting on a touch screen might proove to be more user error prone which the mfgs should take seriously.
Why is swiping in a direction on a screen worse than doing a dance with a lever, "left and down" or some other nonsense. It's easy to blame the car (almost everyone does) regardless of shifter type.
Remember this?
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-...322-story.html

Who is to blame here? I can't say haven't used that shifter type, but it seems way too complicated. And the car should NEVER roll if the engine isn't running, unless you force this condition in case the car needs to be moved when disabled.

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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 08:27 PM
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@AMIRZA786 What year Civic Si did you have?
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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Why is swiping in a direction on a screen worse than doing a dance with a lever, "left and down" or some other nonsense. It's easy to blame the car (almost everyone does) regardless of shifter type.
Remember this?
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-...322-story.html

Who is to blame here? I can't say haven't used that shifter type, but it seems way too complicated. And the car should NEVER roll if the engine isn't running, unless you force this condition in case the car needs to be moved when disabled.
I like easy so complicated shifters are out for me.

And I see your point, the car is stopped when switching gears so it's not like having to take eyes off the road.

Swiping the screen to change gears, I just don't know if that's the best way.

But people like it so that's cool. 😁
As you point out, could be worse. Lol

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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 08:52 PM
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@AMIRZA786 What year Civic Si did you have?
10th Gen, 2018. Black 🤣



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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
10th Gen, 2018. Black 🤣


With dreaded unpopular volume on the screen

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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 09:09 PM
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With dreaded unpopular volume on the screen
Oh yeah, I remember that. Pain in the you know what. They added a volume button **** in the 2019. Even Tesla wasn't bold enough to put volume control in the screen
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Old Dec 7, 2025 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
And no one has ever crashed their car because they put it in the wrong gear. Even when the shifter was about as simple and obvious as it gets. I'd love to see the video of that crash, she must have used it to show the insurance company so they didn't blame her.

This very thinking killed RIM.
It’s a true story, believe it or not. Swiping on a screen to select gears is just dumb.
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