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Impressed for the price of it all ($42K USD). It's also got a bunch of random accessories that you can add like a karaoke mic
Of course it would never make it to the US at that price but the Chinese manufacturers are expanding fast. My friend recently came back from Mexico City and was very impressed with the BYDs he saw while over there
There is a reason for that, and the reason it optionally folds flat is so that the top of the adjacent storage area can fold over the shifter to create a massive flat work desk.
If you don't want to use the desk, you just leave the shifter up. And if you don't need or want a truck shifter, you can change it out for a rotary dial shift in just a few minutes.
“gear selectors” and “shifters” - my goodness we only have FORWARD/DRIVE, BACKWARD/REVERSE, and PARK. and on a typical trip, how often do we change? starting the trip, maybe reverse then drive? ending the trip, maybe reverse and park again. both actions done at very low speed or stopped. forever some people with ‘traditional’ shifters have made errors and driven through garages, into stores, etc. same with pedals. a friend started her car and being confused, she floored the gas instead of brake and went flying out of her driveway, across the road, and into a tree. bad car design? no, brain fart from driver.
Dont care. I want a physical selector. Controls for many things through screens are just not great, that’s one of those things.
change is hard… but not wanting change is no reason there should never be any change.
And wanting change for the sake of change doesn’t make any sense. I’m all for change if it’s something that is better. I don’t see how swiping on a screen is better that a simple physical control. Pop out door handles, not better. Having a car now that has very few physical controls, physical controls are just better.
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
so if a phone was available with a physical keyboard (and obviously a much smaller screen unless t’s a foldable), you’d get it?
Probably not, because the large screen has other benefits for what we do a lot of with phones, such as scrolling and reading and watching things and taking pictures. When it comes to typing though, the physical
keyboard is better. When I have to type a lot (like posting on here) I always go to the computer when I can because typing is easier and better.
It’s a compromise and with a phone having all the real estate be screen is better. For a car though it’s not.
because he was famous it became a thing briefly. but as you point out, it was HIS ERROR, not the car. i had the same car and shifter, and it was never an issue.
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I easily see how what he did could happen having also had the car. One of my favorite stories was a time when my cousin, his wife and I were out drinking in WV And she was the DD, she got mad at us and went out to leave us where we were. We had the Jeep and I told my cousin “dont worry, she will never be able to get that thing into reverse”. We walked out 20 minutes later and sure enough there she sat, couldn’t get the Jeep into reverse because of that stupid shifter LOL
When you design controls like that you have a duty to try and design them to be as safe as possible. Thankfully we don’t live in a society where we don’t try and make products as safe for people as we can. That shifter was a very poor design and Chrysler did the right thing by abandoning it. Swiping on the screen to select forward and reverse, also a very poor design IMO.
Dont care. I want a physical selector. Controls for many things through screens are just not great, that’s one of those things.
I’m all for change if it’s something that is better. I don’t see how swiping on a screen is better that a simple physical control.
I agree with you. As someone with an older (2021) Tesla Y that uses the "stalk" to engage into various gears, I'm going to lose that if/when I get a Model S as it's done on screen. I'll likely also have the turn signals on the steering wheel, which is another one of those "I wonder why" moments. Those things seem like change for no real reason and no real benefit to the end user. I know I'll get used to one/both of them relatively quickly, but having driven it a few times, I know I don't personally like it.
I agree with you. As someone with an older (2021) Tesla Y that uses the "stalk" to engage into various gears, I'm going to lose that if/when I get a Model S as it's done on screen. I'll likely also have the turn signals on the steering wheel, which is another one of those "I wonder why" moments. Those things seem like change for no real reason and no real benefit to the end user. I know I'll get used to one/both of them relatively quickly, but having driven it a few times, I know I don't personally like it.
Exactly, and luckily you can buy turn signal stalks and a gear selector for a Tesla if you want that. The reason for this change though is simply cost cutting, sold to the consumer as being "tech forward" and "better". I always find it amazing what lengths Tesla fans will go to in order to defend clear cost cutting omissions as some incredible new way of doing something that is of course much better. Next we'll all be kneeling with no seats and seats will be "so antiquated". No back seat "I mean how often do you carry people anyways?! Why would you ever need that!?"
While on the subject of batteries (BEV's...batteries ) two more battery pack modules failed in our UPS. Luckily they are only $30 a piece on Amazon ($30 X 12 batteries). Unluckily, I will have to change them
Exactly, and luckily you can buy turn signal stalks and a gear selector for a Tesla if you want that. The reason for this change though is simply cost cutting, sold to the consumer as being "tech forward" and "better". I always find it amazing what lengths Tesla fans will go to in order to defend clear cost cutting omissions as some incredible new way of doing something that is of course much better. Next we'll all be kneeling with no seats and seats will be "so antiquated". No back seat "I mean how often do you carry people anyways?! Why would you ever need that!?"
I'm not sure (or maybe not convinced) if that was cost cutting or not. I think a lot of Tesla interior design is about minimalism and I could see some designer who felt they could eliminate these things and replace them in some other way (screen, etc). From a design perspective, they would have accomplished their goal. But from an end-use perspective, it feels like a miss IMO. I guess to me it's irrelevant if it was cost cutting or not; I just wish they had left it alone and not make me buy some aftermarket part(s) to piece it back together.
I'm not sure (or maybe not convinced) if that was cost cutting or not. I think a lot of Tesla interior design is about minimalism and I could see some designer who felt they could eliminate these things and replace them in some other way (screen, etc). From a design perspective, they would have accomplished their goal. But from an end-use perspective, it feels like a miss IMO. I guess to me it's irrelevant if it was cost cutting or not; I just wish they had left it alone and not make me buy some aftermarket part(s) to piece it back together.
I think its largely cost cutting. I think Elon wants as few driver inputs as possible in the design, but the cost savings is a driver there for sure, as AMIRZA pointed out.
If this stuff would just stay on Teslas I wouldn't care, but other carmakers are following suit. For instance the fact that I have so few buttons and a big screen with too many controls bundled within it is because of Tesla. The move towards glass roofs that don't open with no sunblinds is also learned from Tesla. Stupid door handles started with Tesla. They've had such an impact on the car industry that their influence is just everywhere.
Cars sell with lots of cost cutting and dumb designs. Look at all the companies using these stupid door handles I have. Putting more and more controls in the screen is a cost cutting measure that is not unique to Tesla.
Just because an automaker spends money on something doesn't mean they should. Here's a decent solution to Ford's stupidly huge and complex folding shifter.
One of my favorite shifters from back in the day, was Corvair's. Simple and out of the way.
Seriously, I'm not a fan of the on screen method, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. I put more priority on the turn signal stalk. That's something that hasn't changed at all over the years since I've been driving. But, if they swap the locations of the brake and accelerator pedals, I'm out!
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) two more battery pack modules failed in our UPS. Luckily they are only $30 a piece on Amazon ($30 X 12 batteries). Unluckily, I will have to change them 
