Yes mom

 

Toyota does simple and boring the best. Nothing wrong with it. Simple and smart is best for long term growth … Toyota is also the most profitable automaker and comes from a more simplified approach for long term growth.

something that Toyota is getting right is their EV’s blend in well with their current vehicles. So it’s hard to tell if it’s an electric.

saw the Lexus RZ the other day, looks like an RX…and that is a smart move
















saw the Mirai in Toronto…looks just like a Toyota…some say the Mirai is a great looking car


Toyota is about to open their 3rd manufacturing plant for EV…not building EVs in three different countries… start contrast to Tesla is suffering from a slow down in sales and aging platforms





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That doesn't mean ICEs can't be discussed alongside EVs where it is appropriate, just that the fundamental EV vs ICE debate isn't welcome. Like I said, consumers are cross comparing the two.

I would also point out this rule:



We get that you think Toyotas are boring, but posting that over and over again just invites flamewars. This is a Lexus/Toyota community first and foremost. I and others do not agree that all Toyotas are boring, and as enthusiasts of the company we're going to come to their defense when they are being maligned unfairly.

 

Charging from 10% for 15 min in the Escalade EV. He had the climate control running while charging to simulate someone or family sitting inside while charging for 15 min. Overall it gave him 100 miles of range back down to 10% while driving 80mph with AC running back to the same charger. After the range test he charged without AC running and it added an extra 20kwh vs charging with AC running. Said it held peak charging speed longer but even after 15 min speed throttled down to 180kwh vs 128kwh speed with AC running after 15 min.

Do you guys sit inside and run the AC while charging? Notice a difference or is this a GM thing?

 

If it's a hot day while I'm traveling, I supercharge with the AC on and it makes little difference. I lose between 2% to 4% using AC depending on how hot it is. My last trip I averaged 136 mpg vs 138 mpg, which is what I average with my normal commute

 

Running the AC inside while charging shouldn't be an issue

 

AC doesn't use much power. And that's a monumentally unscientific experiment. A lot of those variances could be down to nothing more than maintaining battery temperatures in the ideal charging ranges.

 

The gm huge ev's are grotesquely inefficient. Hide that with a gigantic battery so no wonder it's slow to add much percentage.

 

Is it because they are so heavy? Guy in video mentioned the battery pack is almost 3k lbs. My Honda weighs 3100. My friends S2000 weigh 2800. 3k lbs battery pack is insane

 

well it's so heavy because the battery pack is so huge. I think Escalade and Hummer use gm's 200kwh battery. My ev is 77kwh.

 

My Model 3 has an 82 kwh battery pack and gets a little over 300 miles. Max battery I would ever consider in an EV would be 100 kwh. Throwing a huge battery pack to compensate for inefficiency is just pure laziness IMO and just creates more problems

 

Is there such thing as an efficient EV truck (SUVs in this case) since they are huge sails going down the road?

Like my friend’s, I’m sure your M3LR is more efficient than your MYLR. Smaller, lighter more aerodynamic?

 

Actually, the Cyber truck. It's the most efficient truck, it's just freaking ugly.

Yes my Model 3 is more efficient than my Model Y, but so is the new resigned Y

 

Between them yea, probably the CT. However you are correct, a truck and efficiency rarely go together. You either pay the piper by stuffing as much battery you can, but then you pay in range shortening weight or you design it like the most aerodynamic brick and well.....

Trucks are best currently suited by keeping them dirty diesels or gasser or meeting you half way with a HEV/PHEV (which suffers from well you are essentially carrying around a whole another drivetrain).

Before I drive too far into the tangent, waiting on the launch of the new EREV Ram. Should be something that meets both evs lovers and ice lovers half way.

 

rivian r1t doesn't have or need gm sized batteries either...

cybertruck in the middle of that...