General EV Conversation
Lead Lap
Joined: May 2010
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From: San Diego, CA
CA rates ARE absolutely punitive, but you can play the system a bit. We have roughly 90% or so of our usage covered by our solar but even then with an EV TOU plan our super off peak rate is around 12c (5c delivery, 7c CCA generation) so it makes it worth sometimes charging overnight and maxing out the heavier usage during the day. There's a small fee for the TOU plan, it's academic as we are NEM2.0 and are banking credits to offset true ups. Likely to add a battery or two this year, and depending upon the likely solar generation the next day could either top up the batteries up at 12c overnight and discharge them during the peak when rates are punitive or charge them with solar and run the energy heavy appliances etc overnight.
12c/kwh here.
CA rates ARE absolutely punitive, but you can play the system a bit. We have roughly 90% or so of our usage covered by our solar but even then with an EV TOU plan our super off peak rate is around 12c (5c delivery, 7c CCA generation) so it makes it worth sometimes charging overnight and maxing out the heavier usage during the day. There's a small fee for the TOU plan, it's academic as we are NEM2.0 and are banking credits to offset true ups. Likely to add a battery or two this year, and depending upon the likely solar generation the next day could either top up the batteries up at 12c overnight and discharge them during the peak when rates are punitive or charge them with solar and run the energy heavy appliances etc overnight.
CCA - ?
NEM - net metering?
if i have to work hard to understand a bill or the back and forth of charges, i tend to feel like i'm probably getitng ripped off.
i love how visible, division of verizon, made a 1 line bill for cell service, no break out of anything, super simple, and dirt cheap.
Lead Lap
Joined: May 2010
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From: San Diego, CA
TOU - Time Of Use plan, with variable rates. Overnight super off peak can be quite low, peak can be very high here. My super off peak is about 12c. Summer peak is a lot higher.
CCA - Community Choice Aggregation. Basically the city takes over electricity generation, and the utility handles delivery. Utility handles billing. Usually saves a bit vs the utility charging for both generation and delivery.
NEM - yes, Net Energy Metering. NEM 1.0 most beneficial, NEM 2.0 not quite as good but still good, NEM 3.0 - bad for consumers, good for utility, someone somewhere must have paid off the California Public Utilities Commission for them to allow it...
CCA - Community Choice Aggregation. Basically the city takes over electricity generation, and the utility handles delivery. Utility handles billing. Usually saves a bit vs the utility charging for both generation and delivery.
NEM - yes, Net Energy Metering. NEM 1.0 most beneficial, NEM 2.0 not quite as good but still good, NEM 3.0 - bad for consumers, good for utility, someone somewhere must have paid off the California Public Utilities Commission for them to allow it...
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Unless I missed something, this is the first review I've seen with a driving section
Edit: looks like they released before the embargo was lifted. Oops
Unless I missed something, this is the first review I've seen with a driving section
Edit: looks like they released before the embargo was lifted. Oops
Last edited by Allen K; Mar 4, 2025 at 06:09 PM.
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From: IL
Same in IL on fixed pricing. Roughly half is generation, half delivery. I've been monitoring hourly pricing, which tends to hover in the 2-5 cents/kWh range most of the time for the generation portion. I've seen one-hour peaks as high as 30 cents, and one-hour lows of -10 cents. Not sure if I'm going to switch.
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From: California
Same in IL on fixed pricing. Roughly half is generation, half delivery. I've been monitoring hourly pricing, which tends to hover in the 2-5 cents/kWh range most of the time for the generation portion. I've seen one-hour peaks as high as 30 cents, and one-hour lows of -10 cents. Not sure if I'm going to switch.
The solution would be to add more panels and battery storage, but than I would be forced on to NEM 3, and any benefits I was getting before would evaporate
Lead Lap
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: SC
The average price for PG&E is 43.15 cents per kWh, on the low end. As mentioned earlier, I pay about 0.13 cents per kWh for the actual electricity, but .30 cents for transmission fees. For solar installations like myself that are on the NEM 2 plan, I'm charged another $11 a month "grid usage fees". Since I don't have battery storage, I do make up about 60 percent of the transmission fees over the summer, but still paying way more than I should be.
The solution would be to add more panels and battery storage, but than I would be forced on to NEM 3, and any benefits I was getting before would evaporate
The solution would be to add more panels and battery storage, but than I would be forced on to NEM 3, and any benefits I was getting before would evaporate
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Joined: Oct 2019
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From: California
No, it's still cheaper because gasoline is nearly $5 a gallon and EV'S are super efficient. But if gas gets into the $3 range, it begins to even out. All thanks to our super amazing governor 😌
Last edited by AMIRZA786; Mar 5, 2025 at 07:45 AM.
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From: San Francisco, CA
Yeah so by my calculation, an 80kw battery in my Model y would cost $35 to completely fill up for 320 miles of range. I would say that is still cheaper than the $80-$100 to fill up my old Mercedes' 17 gallon tank at premium gas $5.40/gal for 400 miles of range.
I think most superchargers are at .45/kw on peak hours and as low as $.30 in off peak. But slower level 2 chargers in public are still in the $.20s
Last edited by RXSF; Mar 5, 2025 at 07:46 AM.