Notices
Car Chat General discussion about Lexus, other auto manufacturers and automotive news.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Innova

General EV Conversation

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 12, 2024 | 05:56 AM
  #4801  
jrmckinley's Avatar
jrmckinley
Pole Position
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,354
Likes: 555
From: fl
Default

Originally Posted by LeX2K
This looks pretty bad IMO.

Uhh...agree. I retract my Venza statement. Venza looks better than that.
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2024 | 04:12 PM
  #4802  
Allen K's Avatar
Allen K
-0----0-
CL Folding 25,000
15 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 10,212
Likes: 1,179
From: NJ
Default

Woof, finally some good news out of Rivian. VW software JV ups the value from $5B to $5.8B

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...re-2024-11-12/
Reply
Old Nov 14, 2024 | 11:33 AM
  #4803  
LeX2K's Avatar
LeX2K
Lexus Fanatic
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 25,962
Likes: 4,291
From: Alberta
Default

Originally Posted by Allen K
Woof, finally some good news out of Rivian. VW software JV ups the value from $5B to $5.8B

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...re-2024-11-12/
More cash doesn't make Rivian more efficient they need to become cash flow positive. R.J. said they will be gross margin positive by the end of 2024 they need to deliver on this promise.
Reply
Old Nov 14, 2024 | 12:02 PM
  #4804  
Allen K's Avatar
Allen K
-0----0-
CL Folding 25,000
15 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 10,212
Likes: 1,179
From: NJ
Default

True but they aren't going to survive off R1s and EDVs. They need to get an R2 line running ASAP and this funding will go a long way in getting that going
Reply
Old Nov 15, 2024 | 09:49 AM
  #4805  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,486
Likes: 3,997
From: Maryland
Default

Yeah that picture of the Gravity does not look good...
Reply
Old Nov 15, 2024 | 10:02 AM
  #4806  
LeX2K's Avatar
LeX2K
Lexus Fanatic
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 25,962
Likes: 4,291
From: Alberta
Default

Originally Posted by Allen K
True but they aren't going to survive off R1s and EDVs. They need to get an R2 line running ASAP and this funding will go a long way in getting that going
Is the plan to offset losses selling the R1 via profits from the R2? If R1 is a perpetual money loser then when R2 is in production R1 should be killed off.
Reply
Old Nov 15, 2024 | 10:15 AM
  #4807  
Allen K's Avatar
Allen K
-0----0-
CL Folding 25,000
15 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 10,212
Likes: 1,179
From: NJ
Default

Clearly not since RJ has been consistent with moderate gross profit for Q4. The point is that a profitable R1 will not be sufficient for Rivian to grow in the future
Reply
Old Nov 16, 2024 | 07:55 AM
  #4808  
Toys4RJill's Avatar
Toys4RJill
Lexus Fanatic
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 35,384
Likes: 357
From: ON/NY
Default

Originally Posted by bitkahuna
agree on side and for '25 they've revised the front on the sedan at least so presume that will come to the suv too.

‘This still doesn’t look good. First impressions are hard to overcome
Reply
ClubLexus Stories

Celebrating Lexus & Toyota from Around the Globe

story-0

10 Lexus Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

8 Tips for Improving Your Hybrid or Plug-in Hybrid's Efficiency!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-2

10 Best Lexus Models No One Remembers

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

TRD Off-Road Premium: Best 2026 4Runner, Except This One Thing

 Michael S. Palmer
story-4

Top 10 Lexus & Toyotas to Drive Before You Die!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

Top 10 Lexus/Toyotas With The LEAST 5-Year Depreciation

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

Lexus LC500 Convertible Auction: A Preview of Rising Values?

 Brett Foote
story-7

GX 550 vs TX 550: Best 3-Row Luxury Lexus Family Hauler

 Michael S. Palmer
story-8

9 Best Lexus Models You Can Buy for Half Price (And 1 You Shouldn't!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

2026 Lexus NX Buyer's Guide: Models, Features, Prices & More!

 Brett Foote
Old Nov 16, 2024 | 08:07 AM
  #4809  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,486
Likes: 3,997
From: Maryland
Default

Problem with the EQ line is there is no aggressiveness in any of their designs, they are totally soft and smooth and don't convey any sense of elegance or power. That just doesn't move the needle for buyers who are going to spend a lot of money on a car and they want it to make them feel a certain way. Compare to say, a Model S. It has that low, wide rear end and those big rear haunches that make ot looks sleek and powerful:



Just a MUCH more attractive dedicated EV design.



Or an S Class that looks stately and elegant with all the right proportions:


Last edited by SW17LS; Nov 16, 2024 at 08:10 AM.
Reply
Old Nov 16, 2024 | 08:43 AM
  #4810  
Hameed's Avatar
Hameed
EV ftw!!!
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 9,006
Likes: 588
From: Lake Ontario
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
Compare to say, a Model S. It has that low, wide rear end and those big rear haunches that make it looks sleek and powerful:



Just a MUCH more attractive dedicated EV design.

My favorite design 😁

I'll add one more pic

Reply
Old Nov 16, 2024 | 09:42 AM
  #4811  
Toys4RJill's Avatar
Toys4RJill
Lexus Fanatic
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 35,384
Likes: 357
From: ON/NY
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
Problem with the EQ line is there is no aggressiveness in any of their designs, they are totally soft and smooth and don't convey any sense of elegance or power. That just doesn't move the needle for buyers who are going to spend a lot of money on a car and they want it to make them feel a certain way. Compare to say, a Model S. It has that low, wide rear end and those big rear haunches that make ot looks sleek and powerful:

Or an S Class that looks stately and elegant with all the right proportions:

MB should have just made the regular S class diesel, gas, hybrid, plug in and battery all on one design like the BMW 7 series
Reply
Old Nov 16, 2024 | 10:11 AM
  #4812  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,486
Likes: 3,997
From: Maryland
Default

Issue is it wouldn’t have been as good looking because they would have needed to make it taller to house the batteries the way the 7 Series is.

That would have been the better approach though
Reply
Old Nov 16, 2024 | 10:35 AM
  #4813  
AMIRZA786's Avatar
AMIRZA786
Lexus Champion
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 19,656
Likes: 3,748
From: California
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
Issue is it wouldn’t have been as good looking because they would have needed to make it taller to house the batteries the way the 7 Series is.

That would have been the better approach though
Are you still interested in the i7?
Reply
Old Nov 16, 2024 | 10:49 AM
  #4814  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,486
Likes: 3,997
From: Maryland
Default

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Are you still interested in the i7?
Yeah I love the i7 but I’m in this car until at least 2026. I’ve always thought the S Class was better looking though.
Reply
Old Nov 16, 2024 | 10:59 AM
  #4815  
AMIRZA786's Avatar
AMIRZA786
Lexus Champion
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 19,656
Likes: 3,748
From: California
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
Yeah I love the i7 but I’m in this car until at least 2026. I’ve always thought the S Class was better looking though.
By then they will have full access to Tesla's supercharger network, and now Tesla is deploying their v4 chargers capable of 500 kW charging, so you'll be in good position by that time
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:52 PM.

story-0
10 Lexus Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

Slideshow: Some luxury cars chase trends, but these Lexus models look better now than they did when they first rolled into showrooms.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-06 17:58:29


VIEW MORE
story-1
8 Tips for Improving Your Hybrid or Plug-in Hybrid's Efficiency!

Slideshow: How to Get the Best Fuel Economy with a Hybrid and Plug-In Hybrid!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-05 20:54:44


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Best Lexus Models No One Remembers

Slideshow: 10 best Lexus models no one remembers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 17:33:28


VIEW MORE
story-3
TRD Off-Road Premium: Best 2026 4Runner, Except This One Thing

Slideshow: diving into 4Runner TRD Off-Road Premium's pricing, performance, fuel economy, features, and amenities!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-23 13:09:18


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Lexus & Toyotas to Drive Before You Die!

Slideshow: the 10 Lexus and Toyota vehicles you need to drive before you die.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-23 10:34:24


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Lexus/Toyotas With The LEAST 5-Year Depreciation

Slideshow: Top 10 Lexus/Toyota models with the lowest 5-year depreciation rate.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-08 12:19:06


VIEW MORE
story-6
Lexus LC500 Convertible Auction: A Preview of Rising Values?

The LC hasn't even disappeared from the Lexus lineup yet, and we're already seeing signs of an explosive market.

By Brett Foote | 2026-04-06 09:25:02


VIEW MORE
story-7
GX 550 vs TX 550: Best 3-Row Luxury Lexus Family Hauler

Slideshow: comparing the pricings, specs, power, fuel economy, fun-factor, and features of the GX 550 Luxury+ and TX 550h+ Luxury.

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-03-19 13:44:11


VIEW MORE
story-8
9 Best Lexus Models You Can Buy for Half Price (And 1 You Shouldn't!)

Slideshow: 9 best Lexus models you can buy for half price and 1 you should avoid

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-19 12:01:07


VIEW MORE
story-9
2026 Lexus NX Buyer's Guide: Models, Features, Prices & More!

Here's everything you need to know about the latest NX.

By Brett Foote | 2026-03-19 11:56:59


VIEW MORE