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With the longer trips you take, I'd still keep a PHEV or hybrid handy. We're doing the NJ to Boston in the Rivian, but we'll have to stop for a charge so we aren't nearing empty upon arrival. If we took the Ody, we'd still have at least 1/3 a tank left when we got there. We're doing the drive in the early morning so minimal stops. If we were doing it during the day the charging breaks would be nice opportunities to stretch the legs, but Thanksgiving awaits
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Problem with the EQ line is there is no aggressiveness in any of their designs, they are totally soft and smooth and don't convey any sense of elegance or power. That just doesn't move the needle for buyers who are going to spend a lot of money on a car and they want it to make them feel a certain way. Compare to say, a Model S. It has that low, wide rear end and those big rear haunches that make ot looks sleek and powerful:
Just a MUCH more attractive dedicated EV design.
Or an S Class that looks stately and elegant with all the right proportions:
Just a MUCH more attractive dedicated EV design.
Or an S Class that looks stately and elegant with all the right proportions:
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That's understandable, there is no EV equivalent replacement for a minivan, which is why I anticipate holding on to my Sienna for awhile
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Looking pretty seriously at an ID.Buzz as a grandparent mobile. The value isn't really there, the performance and range aren't particularly good relative to price, but the vehicle itself is awesome and I really like it,
The value is horrible! But from a design perspective, I just love what VW has done with it. If they could bump the range up to 300 and add a NACS port, it'd be good enough for me. I'd also prefer a square setup vs. the staggered they currently have on there to make rotations easier
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With the longer trips you take, I'd still keep a PHEV or hybrid handy. We're doing the NJ to Boston in the Rivian, but we'll have to stop for a charge so we aren't nearing empty upon arrival. If we took the Ody, we'd still have at least 1/3 a tank left when we got there. We're doing the drive in the early morning so minimal stops. If we were doing it during the day the charging breaks would be nice opportunities to stretch the legs, but Thanksgiving awaits
If I remember right... you didn't have this feel about the current S, right? I think it grew on you (and me). I remember at one point I said I didn't like it then a later point said the previous model looked dated to me. No doubt Model S has the sportiest design for an EV. MB's line though did grow on me. When I first saw it, I was like... why would someone pay this much for this thing?! Now... not really. I saw one the other day and it seemed "fine". I think the direction MB's going will work. Plus, not everyone who pays this much wants a sport look. Other things are as or more important to them. I know you keep saying this is your last ICE, but let's see how that will work out.
Very confident that this will be my last ICE. If MB made an EV S Class this time I would have gotten it. I wasn't even considering the ICE 760, in the end it was S580 vs i7 and the reason the S580 won was more the styling and the overall package vs ICE/EV.
This is our last minivan. Replacement will be a 3 row SUV, we both agree this time. Kids will be 11, won't need the minivan anymore.
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I always liked the W223 S Class I just didn't think it was as good looking as the W222 S Class (and I still don't).
there will still be a market for ice s-class but i expect it to dwindle pretty quickly in the next few years.
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Actually this generation 7 is the most successful 7 perhaps ever, it outsells the S Class. Mercedes runs insane leases to move the EQS, you can lease a $130,000 EQS for $800 a month.
Thats what Mercedes themselves said. Two different platforms that look very similar.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a6...ss-ev-details/
ICE to EV shift will be dramatically extended now, we will still see S Classes and other sedans with long hoods for big engines through 2040 is my guess.
so you think they'll have two models that are not based on the same platform but look very similar? doesn't seem to make any sense.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a6...ss-ev-details/
- The Mercedes-Benz EQS electric sedan will not survive into a second generation, according to Mercedes CEO Ola Källenius.
- Instead, according to a new report by Autocar, Mercedes will sell two S-class sedans concurrently—one internal-combustion and one battery-electric model.
- The story further states that while the two models will share similar designs, they won't be built on the same platform.
There's no need to mourn, though. According to a new report by Autocar, the EQS will be succeeded by a new S-class EV that will be sold alongside the next-generation internal-combustion version. Mercedes-Benz CEO Ola Källenius confirmed the news to Autocar. "There will be two S-classes in the future—ICE and electric," he said.As BMW does with its 5- and 7-series sedans, the new-generation S-class cars will share similar interior and exterior styling. It won't be the first time Mercedes has offered ICE and EV variants of the same car, since the poorly named G580 with EQ Technology joined the G-class lineup earlier this year.
However, the two S-classes aren't expected to be built on the same platform. We expect the electric version to be built on a dedicated EV platform, with the ICE car continuing on an updated MRA architecture. Speaking to Autocar, Källenius clarified recent reports that the brand stopped developing the new MB.EA Large EV platform. "We're already planning with MB.EA Large," he said.
However, the two S-classes aren't expected to be built on the same platform. We expect the electric version to be built on a dedicated EV platform, with the ICE car continuing on an updated MRA architecture. Speaking to Autocar, Källenius clarified recent reports that the brand stopped developing the new MB.EA Large EV platform. "We're already planning with MB.EA Large," he said.
but even it will look dated in a few years with the long front and 'big' ice engine.
ICE to EV shift will be dramatically extended now, we will still see S Classes and other sedans with long hoods for big engines through 2040 is my guess.
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glad the 7 is selling well, but do you know the ratio of 7[60] vs i7?
The Mercedes-Benz EQS electric sedan will not survive into a second generation, according to Mercedes CEO Ola Källenius.
ICE to EV shift will be dramatically extended now,
i look at the eqs as an experiment by mercedes, to test the waters for new ideas without alienating s-class buyers such as yourself. in your case it worked perfectly. you hate the eqs and love the s-class. LOL
but the eqs models have given mercedes lots of real world data from customers even if it hasn't been a big commercial success.
we will still see S Classes and other sedans with long hoods for big engines through 2040 is my guess.
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this doesn't mean anything except the name goes away (as it was always going to anyway) because there will still be electric and gas flagships on different platforms, they will simply look more similar than eqs and s-class do today.
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so you think they'll have two models that are not based on the same platform but look very similar? doesn't seem to make any sense
extended from what? you mean the date of the elimination of the gas s-class? i certainly never thought it would go away with one generation of eqs or whatever they wanted to call it.
they'll still be on the road, sure, just like rolls royces with huge long hoods and they will still be loved and desired by many. but i think the proportions will begin to look ridiculous and unnecessarily ostentatious over time.
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I was just in Charleston for our company retreat and one of my agents drove his Cybertruck from DC, he had to stop and charge 4 times lol. He said he enjoyed the trip until the third stop…then he wished he had made different choices.
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It took a while, but Cybertruck sales seem to be gaining momentum now. I'm seeing more and more of them every day here in this area. Still, besides the freedom from gas-stations, I can't imagine what attracts these awkward-looking vehicles to their buyers. IMHO, it is one of the most butt-ugly vehicles on the road, both outside and inside. And, like the old DeLorean DMC-12, they all have the same basic stainless-steel color and texture on the outside.
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