Lol so true, especially if you are a small business. But hey, you'll also get a pretty good tax write off

 

There's also another big reason F-150 sales have fallen and been eclipsed by GM for the first time in a long time-- the simple fact that GM still gives us V8s.

 

The F-150 still outsold the Silverado. Q3 was #1 RAV4, #2 Tesla Model Y, #3 F-150 and #4 Chevy Silverado

 

Combine it with Sierra sales.

 

I'd love to know why some have this expectation that EV trucks are going to overtake sales of petrol versions overnight when the pickup market has 60+ years of a loyal buyer base built in.

 

Especially since EVs still struggle with traditional truck stuff like towing long distances

 

GMC Sierra was number 7 at 229,011 units, Silverado was #2 at 399,604 units, while F-150 was #1 at 528,028 units. Personally I think people look at the GMC and Chevy trucks differently as the ranking shows. So I don't know if that would even be a valid comparison, as the RAM truck outsells GMC

 

7% of truck owners tow frequently 63% never. Gas trucks struggle with things like powering a job site, low maintenance and performance.

 

It's a mindset, not an easy thing to change. Tesla has been the only company so far that's overcome this road block, but I believe it's been through incentives like lowering prices

 

Honestly would've expected the never tow % to be higher. Any contractor that works without onsite power already has a generator. Having that built into the Lightning is handy, but it's not $30K price difference handy. Performance is also pretty far down the list for fleets too.

I wonder what the price to repair a Lightning vs. a regular F150 is? I'm assuming it'll be a bit more but haven't seen anything concrete.

At this point in time, replacing mid $30K disposable fleet trucks with $63K EVs make no sense. When the prices come down and the math changes then we'll probably see greater adoption for fleet purposes. Until that happens, I wouldn't expect the $ of Lightning to all F150s to move much

 

Why not? Sierra and Silverado are both GM trucks. Count them both, then compare to Ford.

They dominated truck sales and will continue to because there is the proper number of cylinders under the hoods.

Tahoes/Silverados with the 5.3 are slower than the competition by a damn sight but people don’t seem to care. They can’t keep them on the lots. This is with a huge acceleration disadvantage.

 

Cost of ownership doesn't start and end with the purchase price. Police fleets are saving big time going from gas to electric.

 

Because they’re moving to Teslas or MachEs which are cheaper or on par with their old Explorers. Making up the $30k difference per truck that currently exists is going to be much harder. Insurance is going to be higher with a Lightning too given the overall cost of the truck

 

​​​​​​ This point is debatable because if people thought they were the same, GMC should at least be ahead of RAM, and it should be number 4, not number 7, but let's move on and just combine the two.

Second point, the majority of new trucks bought are V6 or 4 cylinder (turbo charged/hybrid or a combination). I'm not saying V8's aren't relevant, but to the majority of new truck buyers, they aren't. I was talking to someone recently who was looking for the 5.0L F-150, and he told me there is no none to found without doing a special order

 

Has this Audi etron drove itself been posted? Does Audi have something like FSD? From the interview, they say it only has driver's assistance. Even so, it's crazy to start on its own. It'd be interesting to find out what exactly happened. I know two Audi owners that told me they would never get another Audi. I always have my eyes on Audi but never got one one way another. Maybe this will put an end to that itch.