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Do you guys believe that tires impact your battery efficiency/range? I put new front tires on about 2-3 weeks ago (doing rear in about 2 weeks) and I think my range is not as good as before replacing them. I can't make sense of it, and perhaps I'm wrong. But I do the same route to/from my kids' school and I'm noticing when I get home I'm about 1-2% lower than what I was for the prior 18 months of doing the same exact route. Obviously it's not a substantial difference, I'm more just asking out of curiosity. In a Tesla, is there a way to see how my efficiency has changed over time? If so I could look at the month or so leading into the tire change and then compare that to after the tire change to know for sure.
Just like with ICE vehicles, tires can impact MPG's/range. We put Michelin CC2's on our last 2 vehicles and lost about 5% range in mileage. To us, it was worth the trade-off. How much range are you losing, and what tires did you get?
Do you guys believe that tires impact your battery efficiency/range? I put new front tires on about 2-3 weeks ago (doing rear in about 2 weeks) and I think my range is not as good as before replacing them. I can't make sense of it, and perhaps I'm wrong. But I do the same route to/from my kids' school and I'm noticing when I get home I'm about 1-2% lower than what I was for the prior 18 months of doing the same exact route. Obviously it's not a substantial difference, I'm more just asking out of curiosity. In a Tesla, is there a way to see how my efficiency has changed over time? If so I could look at the month or so leading into the tire change and then compare that to after the tire change to know for sure.
yeah shoulda stayed with the smoooth bald tires.
they weigh less too.
It's shaping up to be the best time to buy a new Ford F-150 Lightning.
Because the new Ford F-150 Lightning is not selling as expected, Ford is now offering its U.S. dealers up to $1,500 for each 2024 F-150 Lightning they order from one of the automaker's new regional electric vehicle distribution centers, according to a report by Automotive News (by subscription).
A Ford memo obtained by Automotive News revealed the dealer incentive program, which runs October 15 to November 15 and is open to all retailers, and is meant to "further test the logistics and efficiencies of Rapid Replenishment Centers and to increase RRC engagement," the memo says. CarsDirect first reported Ford's dealer bonus program.
Mike DeYoung, senior director of Ford sales and merchandising, said in a statement that the automaker was "encouraging our dealers to test and experience the Rapid Replenishment Center process through an incentive program."
AN says Ford's distribution centers are spread throughout the U.S., allowing dealers to reduce floor-planning costs by stocking fewer EVs and giving customers quicker access to a bigger selection of inventory. Like General Motors' EV fulfillment centers, they were first detailed last year for dealers who were part of Ford's now-defunct EV certification program. However, the automaker continues to test their effectiveness.
Ford pays their dealers up to $22,500 to buy the F-150 Lightning.
The report says Ford will pay dealers $1,000 for the first nine XLT, Flash, Lariat, or Platinum Lightnings they take from an RRC. According to the leaked memo, they'll pay dealers $1,500 for taking 10 to 15 trucks, including an extra $500 for each of the first nine. The maximum bonus is $22,500 if Ford dealers buy 15 trucks.
DeYoung highlighted the efficiency of the process, stating that the centers currently deliver the F-150 Lightings to dealers within an average of seven days.
Even though U.S. sales of the F-150 Lightning are up 86 percent this year to 22,807 through September, Ford began the year by slashing planned production and cutting two-thirds of the workforce that builds the trucks in Dearborn, Michigan. Dealer bonuses are another way the automaker attempts to spur EV sales further.
What's in it for customers?
In September, Ford said it would provide a free Ford Charge Station Pro bidirectional home charger retailing for $1,310 to buyers and lessees of the F-150 Lightning, Mustang Mach-E, and E-Transit during the fourth quarter.
This charger, which allows for bi-directional energy flow, can be a significant addition to your home charging setup, enhancing the convenience and versatility of owning an electric vehicle.
Ford stops Lightning production.
Another Automotive News report says, "Ford plans to stop building its F-150 Lightning from mid-November through the end of the year amid lower-than-expected demand for the electric pickup."
This pause in production is a strategic move by Ford to align supply with demand and ensure the F-150 Lightning's long-term success in the market.
The report says the seven-week shutdown will begin at the end of the day on November 15 and include the traditional weeklong holiday break, with production resuming on January 6. Ford recently informed suppliers and plant officials of the plan, which a Ford spokesperson confirmed to Automotive News.
"We continue to adjust production for an optimal mix of sales growth and profitability," Ford said in a statement.
Ford CEO Jim Farley and Executive Chair Bill Ford said the importance of the F-150 Lightning EV pickup was likened to that of the Model T.
Farley recently said the "slow uptake of EVs" was a challenge but said he was pleased with the strength of Ford's overall electric vehicle strategy. This strategy, which includes the F-150 Lightning and other EV models, demonstrates Ford's dedication to the EV market and its confidence in the future of electric vehicles, "which I wouldn't trade for any of our competitors," he said.
CarEdge says that the Ford F-150 Lightning is one of the five most negotiable trucks right now.
"While the Ford F-150 Lightning has a market day supply of 73 days (below average), the 459 remaining 2023 models make this truck highly negotiable. With 10% of all new Lightnings being last year's models, there's room for big discounts with negotiation know-how."
CarEdge says electric trucks have rapid depreciation, especially now, so approach these deals cautiously. Ford is currently offering 1.9% APR for 36 months, or buyers can lease the XLT Standard Range for $371 per month with $6,930 due at signing.
Conclusion:
If you're looking for a new Ford F-150 Lightning EV pickup, shoppers can find a great deal now. With Ford's dealer incentives on Lightnings, the 2024 year-end sales season will be tremendous for new truck shoppers.
Just like with ICE vehicles, tires can impact MPG's/range. We put Michelin CC2's on our last 2 vehicles and lost about 5% range in mileage. To us, it was worth the trade-off. How much range are you losing, and what tires did you get?
I went with the Bridgestone Turanza Enliten (EV specific tires). Obviously I (desperately) needed new tires, so I don't really care that I'm losing some range - and the reality is the Tesla probably gets 50-100 miles/day so it's not a huge issue either way; meaning it isn't impacting me on a road trip. I was just curious if this is normal; sounds like it is.
I feel like I'm losing maybe 1 or 2% in my typical 35-40 mile roundtrip route. 85-90% of that route is highway.
Do you guys believe that tires impact your battery efficiency/range? I put new front tires on about 2-3 weeks ago (doing rear in about 2 weeks) and I think my range is not as good as before replacing them. I can't make sense of it, and perhaps I'm wrong. But I do the same route to/from my kids' school and I'm noticing when I get home I'm about 1-2% lower than what I was for the prior 18 months of doing the same exact route. Obviously it's not a substantial difference, I'm more just asking out of curiosity. In a Tesla, is there a way to see how my efficiency has changed over time? If so I could look at the month or so leading into the tire change and then compare that to after the tire change to know for sure.
On my Polestar I went with AS over the Original summer tires and actually am getting slightly better efficiency. The stickier the tire, the less efficient
It's shaping up to be the best time to buy a new Ford F-150 Lightning.
Because the new Ford F-150 Lightning is not selling as expected, Ford is now offering its U.S. dealers up to $1,500 for each 2024 F-150 Lightning they order from one of the automaker's new regional electric vehicle distribution centers, according to a report by Automotive News (by subscription).
A Ford memo obtained by Automotive News revealed the dealer incentive program, which runs October 15 to November 15 and is open to all retailers, and is meant to "further test the logistics and efficiencies of Rapid Replenishment Centers and to increase RRC engagement," the memo says. CarsDirect first reported Ford's dealer bonus program.
Mike DeYoung, senior director of Ford sales and merchandising, said in a statement that the automaker was "encouraging our dealers to test and experience the Rapid Replenishment Center process through an incentive program."
AN says Ford's distribution centers are spread throughout the U.S., allowing dealers to reduce floor-planning costs by stocking fewer EVs and giving customers quicker access to a bigger selection of inventory. Like General Motors' EV fulfillment centers, they were first detailed last year for dealers who were part of Ford's now-defunct EV certification program. However, the automaker continues to test their effectiveness.
Ford pays their dealers up to $22,500 to buy the F-150 Lightning.
The report says Ford will pay dealers $1,000 for the first nine XLT, Flash, Lariat, or Platinum Lightnings they take from an RRC. According to the leaked memo, they'll pay dealers $1,500 for taking 10 to 15 trucks, including an extra $500 for each of the first nine. The maximum bonus is $22,500 if Ford dealers buy 15 trucks.
DeYoung highlighted the efficiency of the process, stating that the centers currently deliver the F-150 Lightings to dealers within an average of seven days.
Even though U.S. sales of the F-150 Lightning are up 86 percent this year to 22,807 through September, Ford began the year by slashing planned production and cutting two-thirds of the workforce that builds the trucks in Dearborn, Michigan. Dealer bonuses are another way the automaker attempts to spur EV sales further.
What's in it for customers?
In September, Ford said it would provide a free Ford Charge Station Pro bidirectional home charger retailing for $1,310 to buyers and lessees of the F-150 Lightning, Mustang Mach-E, and E-Transit during the fourth quarter.
This charger, which allows for bi-directional energy flow, can be a significant addition to your home charging setup, enhancing the convenience and versatility of owning an electric vehicle.
Ford stops Lightning production.
Another Automotive News report says, "Ford plans to stop building its F-150 Lightning from mid-November through the end of the year amid lower-than-expected demand for the electric pickup."
This pause in production is a strategic move by Ford to align supply with demand and ensure the F-150 Lightning's long-term success in the market.
The report says the seven-week shutdown will begin at the end of the day on November 15 and include the traditional weeklong holiday break, with production resuming on January 6. Ford recently informed suppliers and plant officials of the plan, which a Ford spokesperson confirmed to Automotive News.
"We continue to adjust production for an optimal mix of sales growth and profitability," Ford said in a statement.
Ford CEO Jim Farley and Executive Chair Bill Ford said the importance of the F-150 Lightning EV pickup was likened to that of the Model T.
Farley recently said the "slow uptake of EVs" was a challenge but said he was pleased with the strength of Ford's overall electric vehicle strategy. This strategy, which includes the F-150 Lightning and other EV models, demonstrates Ford's dedication to the EV market and its confidence in the future of electric vehicles, "which I wouldn't trade for any of our competitors," he said.
CarEdge says that the Ford F-150 Lightning is one of the five most negotiable trucks right now.
"While the Ford F-150 Lightning has a market day supply of 73 days (below average), the 459 remaining 2023 models make this truck highly negotiable. With 10% of all new Lightnings being last year's models, there's room for big discounts with negotiation know-how."
CarEdge says electric trucks have rapid depreciation, especially now, so approach these deals cautiously. Ford is currently offering 1.9% APR for 36 months, or buyers can lease the XLT Standard Range for $371 per month with $6,930 due at signing.
Conclusion:
If you're looking for a new Ford F-150 Lightning EV pickup, shoppers can find a great deal now. With Ford's dealer incentives on Lightnings, the 2024 year-end sales season will be tremendous for new truck shoppers.
I'm not trying to get into the head of a traditional F-150 buyer, but if I was, I can get into the lower trims gas versions as low as $40k and the Lightning version with less range is $10k more. But on the other hand, buyers of trucks like R1T and Cyber Truck are not traditional truck buyers, at least the ones I know and are not comparing the ICE VS EV pricing...they specifically want an EV and are willing to pay more.
Mach-E seems to be doing well, I see a ton of them on the road
Got my door seals today. Will probably install them this weekend. That expensive set I posted went on sale so I got it, mainly because of the 3m adhesive on the back. Read several reviews for the cheaper kits and there were complaints about them not sticking. I will give a review when I get them installed.
The "cheap" ones I got have stayed stuck pretty good so far.
It's probably hit or miss with the "cheaper" kits and I got a half decent one
Do you guys believe that tires impact your battery efficiency/range? I put new front tires on about 2-3 weeks ago (doing rear in about 2 weeks) and I think my range is not as good as before replacing them. I can't make sense of it, and perhaps I'm wrong. But I do the same route to/from my kids' school and I'm noticing when I get home I'm about 1-2% lower than what I was for the prior 18 months of doing the same exact route. Obviously it's not a substantial difference, I'm more just asking out of curiosity. In a Tesla, is there a way to see how my efficiency has changed over time? If so I could look at the month or so leading into the tire change and then compare that to after the tire change to know for sure.
yeah they will... and new set of wheels size/design will seriously impact your efficiency.
On my Model S, i lost minimum of 30% range under same conditions and same roads between 19" summer ev tires and 21" non ev winters.
So went from 260 w/km to 370 w/km, insane.
I will be very careful when looking at new tires and wheels in the future - i dont care about efficiency as such, since they are efficient enough compared to my previous car, but losing 30% of range for my trips sucks big time.
yeah they will... and new set of wheels size/design will seriously impact your efficiency.
On my Model S, i lost minimum of 30% range under same conditions and same roads between 19" summer ev tires and 21" non ev winters.
So went from 260 w/km to 370 w/km, insane.
I will be very careful when looking at new tires and wheels in the future - i dont care about efficiency as such, since they are efficient enough compared to my previous car, but losing 30% of range for my trips sucks big time.
I must be misunderstanding this comment
"i lost minimum of 30% range under same conditions and same roads between 19" summer ev tires and 21" non ev winters."
Why would you go from 19 inch summer tires to 21 inch winter tires?🤔
It's usually the other way around....21 inch summer tires to 19 inch winter tires
I must be misunderstanding this comment
"i lost minimum of 30% range under same conditions and same roads between 19" summer ev tires and 21" non ev winters."
Why would you go from 19 inch summer tires to 21 inch winter tires?🤔
It's usually the other way around....21 inch summer tires to 19 inch winter tires
yes it is... but i drive a lot less during the winter, maybe i take 2-3 longer trips where during summer i drive around all the time.
So wanted to get nicer wheels for winter, while perserving my range in summer.
I though the difference might be 15%, not 30%. So lol me!
I'm not trying to get into the head of a traditional F-150 buyer, but if I was, I can get into the lower trims gas versions as low as $40k and the Lightning version with less range is $10k more. But on the other hand, buyers of trucks like R1T and Cyber Truck are not traditional truck buyers, at least the ones I know and are not comparing the ICE VS EV pricing...they specifically want an EV and are willing to pay more.
Mach-E seems to be doing well, I see a ton of them on the road
They're going to regret killing the 3 row SUV. It's a much larger EV segment than pick ups
They're going to regret killing the 3 row SUV. It's a much larger EV segment than pick ups
I think I have to agree with that. Kia EV9 sales are up 27 percent from last year. If Ford had a three row that was as good as the Lightning, it could possibly be a good seller
I'm not trying to get into the head of a traditional F-150 buyer, but if I was, I can get into the lower trims gas versions as low as $40k and the Lightning version with less range is $10k more. But on the other hand, buyers of trucks like R1T and Cyber Truck are not traditional truck buyers, at least the ones I know and are not comparing the ICE VS EV pricing...they specifically want an EV and are willing to pay more.
Mach-E seems to be doing well, I see a ton of them on the road
F-150 Lightning were only 3.6% of F-150 sales so far this year.
That doesn't exactly paint a picture of success. I still crack up how Motor Trend all busted a nut over it being truck of the year, saying it's the most significant vehicle ever (or something along those lines).
