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Oh, not here. Overwhelmingly they are mostly in good shape. I didn't eagle-eye it but that one looked great, it was just dirty.
I like the wood trim in the 400s but that strip below the vents looks pretty dumb and contrived, I've always thought so.
LS430 has so much wood it's like a fancy bordello. Reminds me of the Commodore's house in Boardwalk Empire. The more wood and leather you can throw at me the more I'll take.
I like the wood trim in the 400s but that strip below the vents looks pretty dumb and contrived, I've always thought so.
LS430 has so much wood it's like a fancy bordello. Reminds me of the Commodore's house in Boardwalk Empire. The more wood and leather you can throw at me the more I'll take.
but yes i'm with you on more wood lol... one of the big reasons the 1999 is my favorite year LS (other than its the one i have lmao) is they finished the shifter and steering wheel in wood too
also there's more wood inside if you open that tray above the glovebox that houses the CD changer
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I don't think that "growing" more cows is really the issue. All that means is more suffering in the future....animals often (though not always) suffer when they are put to death. Killing them to eat is one thing (I eat poultry and seafood myself, though no beef or pork).....but IMO needless killing, just for the sake of planting one's butt on a vehicle-seat or carrying around a fancy piece of luggage, is quite another matter.
Me? I still like leather.
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@Striker223 what are your thoughts about oil additives like Liqui Moly Ceretec for German engines? I’m getting ready to get my service done and I noticed on the invoices the dealer uses an oil additive…independent is doing it this time but I was going to order a bottle of this and have them use it, what do you think?
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@Striker223 what are your thoughts about oil additives like Liqui Moly Ceretec for German engines? I’m getting ready to get my service done and I noticed on the invoices the dealer uses an oil additive…independent is doing it this time but I was going to order a bottle of this and have them use it, what do you think?
Ceratec is essentially a lot of moly and some boron suspended in non-synth oil and it will drop out of suspension if you don't drive every day. I personally don't like anything that can drop out of suspension like that nor do l like any non synth fluids in my cars other than the Jeep.
I generally just use/recommend the highest current spec oil for whatever brand car it is, in my case I use VW 511.00/Porsche C40 since it is one of the best specs you can buy and is designed to stop carbon buildup and CAT issues while still providing protection equal or greater than mid/high SAPS oils. Crazy good thermal stability and HTHS and NOACK specs that in a good amount of cases exceed that of the mid/high SAPS options. I also use a 30w version in the LS460 and my dads RR, basically everything I have is on this stuff
BMW oil spec has the best NOACK ratings though
Last edited by Striker223; Jul 19, 2023 at 09:41 AM. Reason: Put A40 instead of C40
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Do you happen to know the sulfur content of gas in your area? With a 10k change you may not be able to use low SAPS depending on the gas you have near you, that's one reason I use 5k for my cars. In theory this oil can do 10k but I don't want to risk anything, the older VW 504.00 spec could/does do 10k plus but only with gas that is the same low sulfur levels that Europe has.
If you are using mid/high SAPS with your turbo DI engine it's best to avoid short change intervals or you will carbon more quickly so 10k miles would work fine as long as the oil has enough sulfur resistance. The factory spec for US market cars usually trades carbon buildup for really high sulfur resistance though.....
I opted to instead go for a more advanced spec that avoids the carbon issue AND fuel type issue
If you are using mid/high SAPS with your turbo DI engine it's best to avoid short change intervals or you will carbon more quickly so 10k miles would work fine as long as the oil has enough sulfur resistance. The factory spec for US market cars usually trades carbon buildup for really high sulfur resistance though.....
I opted to instead go for a more advanced spec that avoids the carbon issue AND fuel type issue
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Can you easily ask him if he is using MB 229.51 or MB 229.52? If you are using 229.52 that is the better one for long interval but can sometimes have issues with US gas
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I would love a Tahoe/Yukon but it would be really tight in my garage, and my wife wouldn’t want to haul something like that around d all the time.
Don’t love the Turbo 4 but it is what it is.
Its just the style people want. I don’t see the issue.
Yeah I have also considered buying one when nice ones come up!
Don’t love the Turbo 4 but it is what it is.
Its just the style people want. I don’t see the issue.
Yeah I have also considered buying one when nice ones come up!
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@Striker223 what are your thoughts about oil additives like Liqui Moly Ceretec for German engines?
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Its recycled all the time. I have a friend that recycles vehicles for a living.
Exactly, more and more people don’t want to sit on the skin of dead animals. She has no problem eating animals because that’s nature, but she would rather not kill an animal for her chair. I understand where she is coming from and where others are coming from.
Exactly, more and more people don’t want to sit on the skin of dead animals. She has no problem eating animals because that’s nature, but she would rather not kill an animal for her chair. I understand where she is coming from and where others are coming from.
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From: Sofia
They don't increase protection, for any engine. Additives reduce the sheer strength of oil and also the heat resistance which will increase wear. Some are good to reduce leaks and oil burning, friction protection no. Motor oils are already carefully formulated with the correct mix of additives dumping other stuff in compromises this.
Leather for shoes, clothing, and vehicles is a by product of the meat industry. By eating meat she is contributing to more leather being produced. The 'green' thing to do is to use that leather usefully, rather than it going to landfill or incineration and then mixing up a cocktail of noxious chemicals in an attempt to replicate and replace it. So I don't understand where she's coming from.
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Leather for shoes, clothing, and vehicles is a by product of the meat industry. By eating meat she is contributing to more leather being produced. The 'green' thing to do is to use that leather usefully, rather than it going to landfill or incineration and then mixing up a cocktail of noxious chemicals in an attempt to replicate and replace it. So I don't understand where she's coming from.
So sure the basic leather in a Camry may be byproduct leather, but higher end leathers in the kind of cars we drive is not.
And also, automotive leather and almost all consumer leather is treated with tons of chemicals and topped with a urethane topcoat, it’s not just skin off an animal they sew onto your seats. It’s highly chemically processed and in the end resembles animal skin very little. There is NOTHING natural about leather.
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From: TN
I actually prefer cloth or that wool type upholstery like that’s in the Toyota Century versus leather or vinyl. But the American market has spoken and everyone hates cloth in their cars and trucks. High quality fabric feels nicer to me and lasts way longer. The leather in my 2010 looks terrible.
Volvo has a nice wool type fabric in some of their models but they are not ventilated. Heated and Ventilated cloth seats would be amazing!
Volvo has a nice wool type fabric in some of their models but they are not ventilated. Heated and Ventilated cloth seats would be amazing!