It’s hard to go back to NA when you’re used to a turbo.

 

Eh, I was happy to get back into my NA V8 LX after having a much quicker and more powerful F-150 Ecoboost. Zero lag, not insane power like that truck but certainly quick enough. 5.7 has massive NA torque down low.

 

Agreed. This idea that it is difficult to get used to a NA after a turbo is way overblown (no pun intended). My Encore GX has a turbo, and I am very satisfied with it as it is, but given a choice, I'd take a larger-displacement NA powerplant.

 

Well I wasn't, small V8s never really quite impressed me and after not driving the 460 for a while on top of having/regularly driving the D4s when I went back it felt very weak.

End result is my original thought of anything under 5.0L isn't a real V8, 5-6 is normal and 6-7 is a good size was proven accurate after a few years of tiny V8s. The only reason the 4.0 is so nice it because it has enough boost pressure to essentially be a 10L engine from 21psi, it still suffers from being "fake" though.

You really need a supercharger system to have true instant response, even then the best engine I've ever had in terms of response and immediate torque is my W12. RPM simply doesn't matter at all.

 

Yes but you have insane (in a good way) cars lol. The Toyota 5.7, like I said, has massive NA torque just off idle that I find useful for towing duty. You feel absolutely nothing back there towing my 4000lb+ boat and trailer out of the water in a 2nd gear start. Or just driving around with it, you forget the boat is behind it lol.

And yeah of course, if the EPA didn't ruin cars we'd have massive V8s with superchargers. One can dream.

 

If you were driving a TTV8 you would feel differently.

Not talking about your turbo 3 banger lol. Of course you’d rather have a larger NA power plant than that.

The best example is Striker and going back to the LS460 after being used to the turbo 8 and 12 he has. It’s also true for me being used to the TTV8, driving even a NA V8 just feels sluggish at low RPMs.

No NA engine has the torque down that low. honestly, I’m getting to where I would rather have a good turbo 4 than a NA V6 in a mainstream car.

 

Not for me, I'm usually happy to go back to NA. Less heat, better sound, smoother response. Many people prefer it in performance cars. Look at the values of recent performance cars with NA.

 

I get that in a performance car where you want to be reviving it up but in an every day car just in normal driving I totally disagree. I like the easy power down low in the rev band

 

I find NA better in a RX or ES luxury type vehicle as well. It's quiet and smooth. Smooth equals luxury to me.

 

Lots of extremely quiet and smooth turbo powertrains out there too, like the one in my S Class. No more V6 in the new RX, I havent driven the new one but I would venture to say its way more responsive than the old V6.

 

Yeah, I just bought a 22 RX 350 Luxury for a reason. Trust me, I'm not only person who prefers a NA V6 to a turbo 4. I didn't mind the turbo 4 in the NX, a smaller less luxury oriented vehicle.

 

I would rather have a larger NA engine. I really like my 4.0L V6. And then going to my V8 reminds me how great larger engines can be.

 

IMO V6 in the RX is nothing to brag about. Slow and not as responsive.

 

Also one of the most reliable Lexus engines. Same engine as the IS 350. Plenty responsive and not so slow there. Is it not also in the Lotus Emira?

 

Does the job. The replacement 4 banger is nothing to be excited about.