In other words you admit that solid state batteries are impossible, and no further improvement to the lithium battery tech is possible?

 

Solid state batteries are the definition of "meme cars" as Och calls them lol. Because people have been claiming since 2017 that Toyota would come with them the following year and LEAPFROG the competition. 5 years later and I'm still waiting.

 

Koreans make way sportier models than Toyota. See the new Savagegeese video on the Kona N. Mark frowns on it at first until he drives it, then his complete tone changes. Also if I had a choice between the Veloster N or Type R, it would be Veloster in a heartbeat. Way better value. Not as fast, but you get more for your money. Toyota has the TRD Camry that has a great engine, but no LSD makes it a torque steer nightmare, making that car a joke. Also no DCT from Toyota, Hyundai has an excellent wet clutch DCT in their N series that are well reviewed, Toyota has no such thing.

If you are waiting on SSD batteries before the next 5 years, don't hold your breath, you may never wake up

 

I'm saying solid state will be production ready by 2030. I have always said this as the current tech is no where near commercial ready. Lithium ion will get better in the meantime so disagree with your take

 

No one is saying that, only you are. Even Toyota has invested billions in their development (putting their eggs in the SSD basket), they just won't be commercially available for at least the next 5 years

 

Where does it say they were aiming for 2018? I saw they wanted to introduce this tech in the first half of this decade. Still a ways to go until 2025.

 

Aside for solid state, there is no room for advancement in lithium battery tech, so if Toyota don't succeed your EVs will remain fire hazard meme cars, lol.

 

Lol you keep saying completely false stuff like that, and yet lithium Ion batteries keeps improving. Give us some hard data on that please, and not from some guy living in his barn with a tinfoil hat on his head please

 

Or some screaming YouTuber in a garage who waves his arms a lot.

 

They planned to sell them in 2022. Now it's 2022 and they have literally just started selling their first ground-up EV, powered not by Solid State batteries.

 

I did in many threads in the past. Lithium battery capacity has not increased in over a decade. Tesla 4680 batteries, while marginal, are the biggest advancement since 2010. Solid state tech would be a real break through, not sure why you're hating on it.

 

I one thousand percent support development and want SSD batteries, as I am an EV owner and advocate. Every single posts of yours on EV'S has no backing data, and has been mostly patently false. Therefore I can only conclude you are either just making stuff up or you are getting your information from unreliable sources. Take your pick, each door leads to nowhere

 

I don't believe Toyota ever had any date specific announcements for their solid state battery tech, obviously there are a lot of challenges with it, and it's not clear if it's even accomplishable. But that's what separates Toyota from many other companies - they don't brag, they don't make ridiculous claims, they keep humble and hard at work, and you know when they release something it is going to be well engineered and dependable.

 

They did. Then the goalposts moved.

 

​​​​​​See what I mean? Toyota is the only company that mentions SSD batteries. No other EV maker makes much mention of them. Battery manufacturers and researchers is where you find most of the mentions