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Old May 2, 2022 | 04:40 PM
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I'd like to see Toyota "copy" the performance, range, and charging capabilities of the Koreans.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Deliberately mispronouncing ethnic names when you know how they are supposed to be pronounced is absolutely racist.
To be fair, "Hunday like Sunday" is how Americans pronounce it while "Hai-yun-die" is how Europeans pronounce it.

Scotty is many things, but if he were such a bigot I doubt he would be the biggest promoter of Toyota and Honda on the internet.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
I'd like to see Toyota "copy" the performance, range, and charging capabilities of the Koreans.
They certainly could if they wanted to. Their focus is on solid state and practical vehicles, like hybrids.

The cost probably isn't worth it to Toyota, for several reasons.
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They certainly could if they wanted to. Their focus is on solid state and practical vehicles, like hybrids.

The cost probably isn't worth it to Toyota, for several reasons.
If they "wanted to" they already would have. Just like how if Toyota "wanted to" beat AMG and M, they would have. But they haven't.

The cost to Toyota is losing market share in the fastest growing segment of cars on the planet. People now may be indoctrinated with Toyota, but this won't work for younger buyers without brand biases will go for what's objectively best. That's how Tesla is at the top despite having only commercially existed for slightly over a decade.
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I watched a video a few years ago and I thought he mentioned in it that it is indeed the way you pronounce it, as Yee-on-die.
I'm sure he did say that, and hes wrong...like he is about many things.

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To be fair, "Hunday like Sunday" is how Americans pronounce it while "Hai-yun-die" is how Europeans pronounce it.

Scotty is many things, but if he were such a bigot I doubt he would be the biggest promoter of Toyota and Honda on the internet.
The point is...its supposed to be pronounced a certain way...when one ignores how the nationality the name originates from says its to be pronounced and continues to pronounce it how they want...thats an example of subtle racism.

Scotty can be a promoter of Toyota and Honda and still be bigoted towards Korea. Japan and Korea are different countries
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Hyundai/Kia/Genesis are on fire. Literally killing it.

I do like their N cars like the new Elantra N. Good performance bargain at $33K.

Veloster N you lose space and a door for a higher price compared to the Elantra. Sounds like it will be cancelled soon and just replaced by the equally small Kona N. At least you have four doors and more ground clearance if you need that.

Also a fan of the Stinger but that is being cancelled soon. Really missed out on those $20K markdowns in 2019.

With that said, easily take any of the new GRs available from Toyota:

86, Corolla, Zupra

You can get them with all with a manual too.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
The point is...its supposed to be pronounced a certain way...when one ignores how the nationality the name originates from says its to be pronounced and continues to pronounce it how they want...thats an example of subtle racism.

Scotty can be a promoter of Toyota and Honda and still be bigoted towards Korea. Japan and Korea are different countries
For all of Scotty's nonsense, I've never actually heard him utter the racist drivel about how "Koreans don't do anything but steal" similar to what we heard from some anti-Japanese old farts in the 80s and 90s.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
If they "wanted to" they already would have. Just like how if Toyota "wanted to" beat AMG and M, they would have. But they haven't.

The cost to Toyota is losing market share in the fastest growing segment of cars on the planet. People now may be indoctrinated with Toyota, but this won't work for younger buyers without brand biases will go for what's objectively best. That's how Tesla is at the top despite having only commercially existed for slightly over a decade.
Their strategy was to introduce a sporty line that makes cars more fun to drive, not turn them into monsters like an M5. I would say that based on sales figures, they have succeeded. Not every company needs to directly compete with another company's product line.

They aren't concerned about alienating potential customers. Everyone knows that for all intents and purposes, EV's are in their infancy. All it'll take is some youtubers and car review experts to test them in real life scenarios to bring people over.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
If they "wanted to" they already would have. Just like how if Toyota "wanted to" beat AMG and M, they would have. But they haven't.

The cost to Toyota is losing market share in the fastest growing segment of cars on the planet. People now may be indoctrinated with Toyota, but this won't work for younger buyers without brand biases will go for what's objectively best. That's how Tesla is at the top despite having only commercially existed for slightly over a decade.
I've known tons of racists who drive both Japanese and Korean cars. In fact I knew a few racists that dated Asian women and demeaned them publicly
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I'm sure he did say that, and hes wrong...like he is about many things.

The point is...its supposed to be pronounced a certain way...when one ignores how the nationality the name originates from says its to be pronounced and continues to pronounce it how they want...thats an example of subtle racism.

Scotty can be a promoter of Toyota and Honda and still be bigoted towards Korea. Japan and Korea are different countries
If you think Scotty is being bigoted, check out Jeremy Clarkson. This was ok for TV in the mid 2000s, but these days it would probably get him cancelled.

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Clarkson's schtick is comedy, its a little different.

Back to the topic, so there are these recalls...but has anybody ever looked into how many actual Hyundai/Kia fires there have been?
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I've known tons of racists who drive both Japanese and Korean cars. In fact I knew a few racists that dated Asian women and demeaned them publicly
I meant racism in the context of cars. Back in the 80s and 90s, Japanese cars were often derided as "copycat Jap rustbuckets" in thinly veiled racist comments from people who usually lived through WWII.

Maybe Scotty is a bigot, but I don't see that attitude reflected in his commentary on cars. I've actually seen comments in some of his videos accusing him as "anti-American" even lol.
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I haven't watched enough Scotty to say whether he is or not, I was just making a point that when someone deliberately mispronounces an ethnic name, its an example of subtle racism.
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Because the burden is on you, not me. If you make statements that people find dubious, you have to back then up with hard data. Convince me, because I'm not going to do your job. If EV'S are a public safety problem, prove it
Well, first of all, I did not single out Tesla like your other posts would suggest. If you want proof that EVs are a public fire hazard, why did you ignore the ban on electric buses in Paris last month that I posted about, after three of them burned down within a month?
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Originally Posted by Motorola
I meant racism in the context of cars. Back in the 80s and 90s, Japanese cars were often derided as "copycat Jap rustbuckets" in thinly veiled racist comments from people who usually lived through WWII.

Maybe Scotty is a bigot, but I don't see that attitude reflected in his commentary on cars. I've actually seen comments in some of his videos accusing him as "anti-American" even lol.
I honestly never seen anyone talk about Japanese cars in such terms, certainly not in the 90ies. However, I've heard many hardcore patriotic Americans refer to American cars in most derogatory terms.



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