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May 2, 2022 | 05:06 PM

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I honestly never seen anyone talk about Japanese cars in such terms, certainly not in the 90ies. However, I've heard many hardcore patriotic Americans refer to American cars in most derogatory terms.

Seriously? There were TONS of things said about Japanese cars..."jap crap" etc

May 2, 2022 | 05:06 PM

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Back to the topic, so there are these recalls...but has anybody ever looked into how many actual Hyundai/Kia fires there have been?

30 fires... out of 8.4 million recalled vehicles.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai...les-fire-risk/

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Data collected by the nonprofit Center for Auto Safety show more than 30 U.S. fire and engine-related recalls from Hyundai and Kia since 2015. The recalls involve more than 20 models from the 2006 through 2021 model years totaling over 8.4 million vehicles.

So statistically you have a better chance of getting hit by a lightning bolt than your Hyundai catching on fire. Compare that to the 124 dead and 275 injured from GM's ignition switch fiasco, all in the span of a one year recall.

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May 2, 2022 | 05:06 PM

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I meant racism in the context of cars. Back in the 80s and 90s, Japanese cars were often derided as "copycat Jap rustbuckets" in thinly veiled racist comments from people who usually lived through WWII.

Maybe Scotty is a bigot, but I don't see that attitude reflected in his commentary on cars. I've actually seen comments in some of his videos accusing him as "anti-American" even lol.

He's just old fashioned and set in his ways. Who knows how many vehicles he's worked on in 54 years, I'm guessing a ton. I'm sure he remembers very well when each company had its best times with quality control.

One thing that does crack me up is he says his 94 Celica that has 240k miles has original AC, or wheels, or what have you when comparing to a 5 or 6 year old car. That thing has had 240k miles the last 12 years because it never gets driven. Lol

May 2, 2022 | 05:07 PM

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Thats what I suspected.

May 2, 2022 | 05:07 PM

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Don't you mean recalls?

May 2, 2022 | 05:08 PM

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Well, first of all, I did not single out Tesla like your other posts would suggest. If you want proof that EVs are a public fire hazard, why did you ignore the ban on electric buses in Paris last month that I posted about, after three of them burned down within a month?

We don't live in Paris, and other EV'S in Europe don't seem to be burning down. It sounds like bad design to me. If EV batteries were actually dangerous to the public, cars like Tesla would be burning down and probably banned. I used Tesla as an example because they have the most EV'S on the road than any other electric vehicle and have been on the roads since 2012. Next?

May 2, 2022 | 05:14 PM

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I honestly never seen anyone talk about Japanese cars in such terms, certainly not in the 90ies. However, I've heard many hardcore patriotic Americans refer to American cars in most derogatory terms.

It's all over Usenet groups from back then. I'd post links to some of the discussions but I don't want to share racist garbage.

May 2, 2022 | 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SW17LS

Seriously? There were TONS of things said about Japanese cars..."jap crap" etc

Maybe it's regional, I've never encountered such thing here in NYC.

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May 2, 2022 | 05:27 PM

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It's all over Usenet groups from back then. I'd post links to some of the discussions but I don't want to share racist garbage.

Usenet, lol, that brings memories. That was probably a bunch of immature kids behaving like expected on unmoderated boards, most if it wasn't really serious.

May 2, 2022 | 05:34 PM

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30 fires... out of 8.4 million recalled vehicles.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hyundai...les-fire-risk/
So statistically you have a better chance of getting hit by a lightning bolt than your Hyundai catching on fire. Compare that to the 124 dead and 275 injured from GM's ignition switch fiasco, all in the span of a one year recall.

Lol, that's not 30 fires. That's 30 RECALLS that are specifically related to Kia and Hyundai fires and engines since 2015

May 2, 2022 | 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by xjokerz

Don't you mean recalls?

You're right- the actual number of fires is 161. So you still have a better chance of getting hit by a lighting bolt.

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The agency added that it was aware of 161 fires occurring potentially due to engine failures.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...es-2021-12-27/

May 2, 2022 | 05:41 PM

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And add another 350 here, I think they're scattered about in drips and drabs. Some of these possibly counted in the above

https://www.motor1.com/news/297762/h...t-engine-fire/

May 2, 2022 | 05:41 PM

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Lol, that's not 30 fires. That's 30 RECALLS that are specifically related to Kia and Hyundai fires and engines since 2015

See above.

May 2, 2022 | 05:44 PM

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And add another 350 here, I think they're scattered about in drips and drabs. Some of these possibly counted in the above

https://www.motor1.com/news/297762/h...t-engine-fire/

Those aren't official numbers. The article I posted came years after yours, where the NHTSA only recognized 161 fires as being related to the engine after conducting an investigation.

So yeah, you still have a better chance of getting hit by a lightning bolt.