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Kia/Hyundai have not changed, ladies and gentlemen. They still make cheap, low quality cars. Just because some people find their designs stylish, does not mean it's quality under the hood.
Their cars in the 80's and 90's, on a scale of 1-10 they were probably a 1.5. Nowadays, they're probably a 2.5 or 3, at best.
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This video just further backs up my claim in the other thread about their massive recalls.
Kia/Hyundai have not changed, ladies and gentlemen. They still make cheap, low quality cars. Just because some people find their designs stylish, does not mean it's quality under the hood.
Their cars in the 80's and 90's, on a scale of 1-10 they were probably a 1.5. Nowadays, they're probably a 2.5 or 3, at best.
Kia/Hyundai have not changed, ladies and gentlemen. They still make cheap, low quality cars. Just because some people find their designs stylish, does not mean it's quality under the hood.
Their cars in the 80's and 90's, on a scale of 1-10 they were probably a 1.5. Nowadays, they're probably a 2.5 or 3, at best.
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No kidding. Hyundai/Kia/Genesis are all bling-bling and no real substance. They still have ways to go before they could match the Japanese from a quality perspective. People see a car with a whole lot of features for not a lot of money so naturally they will be drawn to it like moths to a flame. Typical buyers of Hyundai/Kia/Genesis look for value, bang for their buck compared to buyers of Japanese brands who typically pay a little more for quality and reliability.
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Not everyone wants reliable toasters. There are products that the Koreans have that are simply better than what the Japanese offer (I'd call that real substance). I'd rather have a Telluride/Palisade than a Highlander / Pilot. Japanese don't really make anything that competes with a Kia Stinger. Genesis has actual RWD platforms for its SUVs and the G70 is a better car than the IS350 or the TLX. I'm not even going into the EVs which are substantially better than anything the Japanese produce right now.
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Are the Civic Type R, MK5 Supra or the 2023 Z just reliable toasters? Heck, the Koreans don't even make sports cars. I don't like SUVs but if I had to choose one I'd choose the new Pathfinder. It's faster and more fuel efficient than either the Telluride or the Palisade. The Q50 Red Sport is faster and more fuel efficient than either the Kia Stinger or the G70 and it's an older car. Toyota is coming out with a production solid state EV in 2025 and Nissan is also coming out with a production solid state battery EV in 2028. Where is Hyundai/Kia/Genesis' production solid state EV? I rest my case.
So besides the CTR and Z, everything else is a toaster...nothing wrong with that but not everyone wants a toaster.So you wanna bank on production solid state in 2025? lol. Lets leave leave vaporware out of this discussion. Right now, you have the BZ4X vs. the world beating Ioniq 5 / Kia EV6. 2 more EV models (sports sedan, 3 row crossover) are coming out next year so consumers interested in EV will have to gravitate toward the Koreans without a Japanese alternative. It is what it is.
Are the Civic Type R, MK5 Supra or the 2023 Z just reliable toasters? Heck, the Koreans don't even make sports cars. I don't like SUVs but if I had to choose one I'd choose the new Pathfinder. It's faster and more fuel efficient than either the Telluride or the Palisade. The Q50 Red Sport is faster and more fuel efficient than either the Kia Stinger or the G70 and it's an older car. Toyota is coming out with a production solid state EV in 2025 and Nissan is also coming out with a production solid state battery EV in 2028. Where is Hyundai/Kia/Genesis' production solid state EV? I rest my case.
So you wanna bank on production solid state in 2025? lol. Lets leave leave vaporware out of this discussion. Right now, you have the BZ4X vs. the world beating Ioniq 5 / Kia EV6. 2 more EV models (sports sedan, 3 row crossover) are coming out next year so consumers interested in EV will have to gravitate toward the Koreans without a Japanese alternative. It is what it is.