ICE vs EV fires
Apparently Hyundai EVs are also a fire hazard.
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/11/18/...fires-lawsuit/
Hyundai has recalled globally more than 74,000 Kona EVs, its top-selling electric car, after 16 of them caught fire in South Korea, Canada and Europe in two years.
0.0216% fire risk for Hyundai EVs, twice as high as their ICEs.
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/11/18/...fires-lawsuit/
Hyundai has recalled globally more than 74,000 Kona EVs, its top-selling electric car, after 16 of them caught fire in South Korea, Canada and Europe in two years.
0.0216% fire risk for Hyundai EVs, twice as high as their ICEs.
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The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) said it had opened an "engineering analysis" covering about 3 million vehicles to evaluate, among other things, the efficacy of recalls initiated by the two automakers. The agency added that it was aware of 161 fires occurring potentially due to engine failures.
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And that's a lifetime lightning stat, this is just a over a few years comparison. Not going to waste time doing the math, but think you'll find it lands well on the side of more likely to burn baby burn.
Regardless this back and forth is pointless, moving on.
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Originally Posted by Och
Apparently Hyundai EVs are also a fire hazard.
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/11/18/...fires-lawsuit/
Hyundai has recalled globally more than 74,000 Kona EVs, its top-selling electric car, after 16 of them caught fire in South Korea, Canada and Europe in two years.
0.0216% fire risk for Hyundai EVs, twice as high as their ICEs.
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/11/18/...fires-lawsuit/
Hyundai has recalled globally more than 74,000 Kona EVs, its top-selling electric car, after 16 of them caught fire in South Korea, Canada and Europe in two years.
0.0216% fire risk for Hyundai EVs, twice as high as their ICEs.
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Both the Bolt and Kona used a faulty batch of LG Chem batteries, which is why they took the blame for it.
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Originally Posted by Motorola
Both the Bolt and Kona used a faulty batch of LG Chem batteries, which is why they took the blame for it. In theory Toyota should be okay since they aren't sourcing from LG Chem.
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Weren't you just wishing for Toyota to copy Huyndai, lol? This is why Toyota does things on their own terms, they are not going to jump a bandwagon for a short term gain and ruin their reputation with half assed product that is also a fire hazard. In terms of numbers .02% is one in every 5,000 cars, that is absolutely horrible.
Considering Hyundai and Kia have already sold more Ioniq 5's and EV6's in one quarter than Toyota and Subaru will sell BZ4X's and Solterras in one year, I doubt their reputation is anywhere near "ruined." If Toyota can't bring enough EV's into the market, no one will car how reliable they are if they can't buy them.
The Ioniq 5 and EV6 don't use LG Chem batteries like the Kona lol. The Kona doesn't have the fast-charging capabilities, range, or power of either those two cars. And neither does the Toyota.
Considering Hyundai and Kia have already sold more Ioniq 5's and EV6's in one quarter than Toyota and Subaru will sell BZ4X's and Solterras in one year, I doubt their reputation is anywhere near "ruined." If Toyota can't bring enough EV's into the market, no one will car how reliable they are if they can't buy them.
Considering Hyundai and Kia have already sold more Ioniq 5's and EV6's in one quarter than Toyota and Subaru will sell BZ4X's and Solterras in one year, I doubt their reputation is anywhere near "ruined." If Toyota can't bring enough EV's into the market, no one will car how reliable they are if they can't buy them.
Blaming LG Chem is an easy but lame excuse, automakers should do their own testing.
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You'll be waiting a long time for those magical solid state batteries lol.
Like the Takata airbag issue which blew up in half the cars in the industry, right? 
Automakers are always at the mercy of their suppliers.
Blaming LG Chem is an easy but lame excuse, automakers should do their own testing.
Automakers are always at the mercy of their suppliers.
Completely different. Lithium batteries were known for spontaneous combustion long before EVs even existed, and it's one of the reasons why Toyota long resisted using Lithium batteries in their hybrids. Clearly, you're a fan of Hyundai, but their track record on EV fire safety is horrible.
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Completely different. Lithium batteries were known for spontaneous combustion long before EVs even existed, and it's one of the reasons why Toyota long resisted using Lithium batteries in their hybrids. Clearly, you're a fan of Hyundai, but their track record on EV fire safety is horrible.
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Q50 Red Sport is good in a straight line but the G70 is almost as fast and handles way better and is waaaaaaay nicer on the inside like an actual luxury car. Q50 interior and driving dynamics aren't great. I had a fully loaded Q50S for 2 weeks getting my Infiniti fixed because the dealer didn't have the part so yes, I'm very familiar with that car. Lets not talk about the BMW developed Supra...thats not really a Toyota 
So besides the CTR and Z, everything else is a toaster...nothing wrong with that but not everyone wants a toaster.
So you wanna bank on production solid state in 2025? lol. Lets leave leave vaporware out of this discussion. Right now, you have the BZ4X vs. the world beating Ioniq 5 / Kia EV6. 2 more EV models (sports sedan, 3 row crossover) are coming out next year so consumers interested in EV will have to gravitate toward the Koreans without a Japanese alternative. It is what it is.
So besides the CTR and Z, everything else is a toaster...nothing wrong with that but not everyone wants a toaster.So you wanna bank on production solid state in 2025? lol. Lets leave leave vaporware out of this discussion. Right now, you have the BZ4X vs. the world beating Ioniq 5 / Kia EV6. 2 more EV models (sports sedan, 3 row crossover) are coming out next year so consumers interested in EV will have to gravitate toward the Koreans without a Japanese alternative. It is what it is.
Where is Hyunda/Kia/Genesis' answer to the Japanese sports cars? If you want to talk toasters then look no further than the Koreans.
How is it vaporware when Toyota engineers are driving around in a solid state battery EV?
BZ4X is the only Toyota EV you know of? I guess you didn't see this https://www.toyota.com/electrified/ or this https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...s-beyond-zero/ ?
The world beating Ioniq 5 / Kia EV6? The only thing world beating is catching fire. Even Hyundai EVs are not spared from vehicle fires. Heck, even Korean electric busses are catching fire. I'd be wary of anything Korean.
Recently Recalled Hyundai Kona Electric Catches Fire In South Korea (insideevs.com)
Hyundai Motor's electric bus catches fire in South Korea | Reuters
Hyundai Kona EV Catches Fire Again - Businesskorea
Hyundai Motor's Kona EV Catches Fire while Driving - Businesskorea
Even Vietnamese startup VinFast beat Hyundai/Kia/Genesis to the punch with 5 EVs in their lineup. Six if you include the e34 in their home market of Vietnam. The VF8 and VF9 are coming out later this year. Followed by the VF5, VF6 and VF7 sometime next year.
VinFast unveils EV lineup at CES ahead of U.S. push - Nikkei Asia
VINFAST ANNOUNCES ITS ALL ELECTRIC STRATEGY AND FULL ELECTRIC VEHICLE LINEUP AT CES 2022 - Vingroup Company
VINFAST ANNOUNCES ITS ALL ELECTRIC STRATEGY AND FULL ELECTRIC VEHICLE LINEUP AT CES 2022 (newswire.ca)
VinFast unveils three new electric vehicles at CES in addition to the rebranded VF e35 and e36 - Electrek
Meet the Two Vietnamese VinFast SUVs You'll Be Able to Buy in the U.S. (motortrend.com)
VinFast expands lineup to 5 EVs, first 2 to hit Canada in 2022 | Driving
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Koreans make way sportier models than Toyota. See the new Savagegeese video on the Kona N. Mark frowns on it at first until he drives it, then his complete tone changes. Also if I had a choice between the Veloster N or Type R, it would be Veloster in a heartbeat. Way better value. Not as fast, but you get more for your money. Toyota has the TRD Camry that has a great engine, but no LSD makes it a torque steer nightmare, making that car a joke. Also no DCT from Toyota, Hyundai has an excellent wet clutch DCT in their N series that are well reviewed, Toyota has no such thing.
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