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From: Alberta
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Thats the issue. My wife LOVES it, if it weren't for the range she would have one. So, I'm happy it has poor range 
My neighbor drove by in his black i7 while we were out in the driveway last night for halloween. Got me again!
My neighbor drove by in his black i7 while we were out in the driveway last night for halloween. Got me again!
Lexus Test Driver
Joined: Mar 2013
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From: IL
Warning: Some references to ICE vehicles below, may be unsettling to some.
I just calculated my cost to drive 2,500 miles in our 2023 Y down to FL and back. I spent a total of $298.55 at superchargers and left with 95% charge, which cost $8.40. Total was $306.95, or a little over 8 miles/dollar. While that's much cheaper that it would have been taking my 20mpg (on a good day) truck, it's slightly more than it would have been driving a 30mpg CUV. That's based on my observed average 87 octane gas costs seen during the drive. I was driving at speeds I would normally drive, so I wasn't driving for energy savings. Prices per kWh varied quite a bit at the superchargers I stopped at. From a low of .26 to a high of .39 per kWh. My home rate is a static .11 per kWh plus a monthly fee of about $11 for having service.
This is pretty much what I expected, so it wasn't a shock. I have no regrets and will happily take it on other trips like this. When we first bought it I was a little nervous, worried about running out of battery. That was by far a non-issue. If we didn't own a travel trailer, I probably would replace my truck with another BEV.
I just calculated my cost to drive 2,500 miles in our 2023 Y down to FL and back. I spent a total of $298.55 at superchargers and left with 95% charge, which cost $8.40. Total was $306.95, or a little over 8 miles/dollar. While that's much cheaper that it would have been taking my 20mpg (on a good day) truck, it's slightly more than it would have been driving a 30mpg CUV. That's based on my observed average 87 octane gas costs seen during the drive. I was driving at speeds I would normally drive, so I wasn't driving for energy savings. Prices per kWh varied quite a bit at the superchargers I stopped at. From a low of .26 to a high of .39 per kWh. My home rate is a static .11 per kWh plus a monthly fee of about $11 for having service.
This is pretty much what I expected, so it wasn't a shock. I have no regrets and will happily take it on other trips like this. When we first bought it I was a little nervous, worried about running out of battery. That was by far a non-issue. If we didn't own a travel trailer, I probably would replace my truck with another BEV.
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From: ON/NY
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Joined: Oct 2019
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From: California
Warning: Some references to ICE vehicles below, may be unsettling to some.
I just calculated my cost to drive 2,500 miles in our 2023 Y down to FL and back. I spent a total of $298.55 at superchargers and left with 95% charge, which cost $8.40. Total was $306.95, or a little over 8 cents/mile. While that's much cheaper that it would have been taking my 20mpg (on a good day) truck, it's slightly more than it would have been driving a 30mpg CUV. That's based on my observed average 87 octane gas costs seen during the drive. I was driving at speeds I would normally drive, so I wasn't driving for energy savings. Prices per kWh varied quite a bit at the superchargers I stopped at. From a low of .26 to a high of .39 per kWh. My home rate is a static .11 per kWh plus a monthly fee of about $11 for having service.
This is pretty much what I expected, so it wasn't a shock. I have no regrets and will happily take it on other trips like this. When we first bought it I was a little nervous, worried about running out of battery. That was by far a non-issue. If we didn't own a travel trailer, I probably would replace my truck with another BEV.
I just calculated my cost to drive 2,500 miles in our 2023 Y down to FL and back. I spent a total of $298.55 at superchargers and left with 95% charge, which cost $8.40. Total was $306.95, or a little over 8 cents/mile. While that's much cheaper that it would have been taking my 20mpg (on a good day) truck, it's slightly more than it would have been driving a 30mpg CUV. That's based on my observed average 87 octane gas costs seen during the drive. I was driving at speeds I would normally drive, so I wasn't driving for energy savings. Prices per kWh varied quite a bit at the superchargers I stopped at. From a low of .26 to a high of .39 per kWh. My home rate is a static .11 per kWh plus a monthly fee of about $11 for having service.
This is pretty much what I expected, so it wasn't a shock. I have no regrets and will happily take it on other trips like this. When we first bought it I was a little nervous, worried about running out of battery. That was by far a non-issue. If we didn't own a travel trailer, I probably would replace my truck with another BEV.
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$298/2500mi = 12 cents per mile. Where did the other 4 cents go?
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Joined: May 2012
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From: Maryland
Warning: Some references to ICE vehicles below, may be unsettling to some.
I just calculated my cost to drive 2,500 miles in our 2023 Y down to FL and back. I spent a total of $298.55 at superchargers and left with 95% charge, which cost $8.40. Total was $306.95, or a little over 8 cents/mile. While that's much cheaper that it would have been taking my 20mpg (on a good day) truck, it's slightly more than it would have been driving a 30mpg CUV. That's based on my observed average 87 octane gas costs seen during the drive. I was driving at speeds I would normally drive, so I wasn't driving for energy savings. Prices per kWh varied quite a bit at the superchargers I stopped at. From a low of .26 to a high of .39 per kWh. My home rate is a static .11 per kWh plus a monthly fee of about $11 for having service.
This is pretty much what I expected, so it wasn't a shock. I have no regrets and will happily take it on other trips like this. When we first bought it I was a little nervous, worried about running out of battery. That was by far a non-issue. If we didn't own a travel trailer, I probably would replace my truck with another BEV.
I just calculated my cost to drive 2,500 miles in our 2023 Y down to FL and back. I spent a total of $298.55 at superchargers and left with 95% charge, which cost $8.40. Total was $306.95, or a little over 8 cents/mile. While that's much cheaper that it would have been taking my 20mpg (on a good day) truck, it's slightly more than it would have been driving a 30mpg CUV. That's based on my observed average 87 octane gas costs seen during the drive. I was driving at speeds I would normally drive, so I wasn't driving for energy savings. Prices per kWh varied quite a bit at the superchargers I stopped at. From a low of .26 to a high of .39 per kWh. My home rate is a static .11 per kWh plus a monthly fee of about $11 for having service.
This is pretty much what I expected, so it wasn't a shock. I have no regrets and will happily take it on other trips like this. When we first bought it I was a little nervous, worried about running out of battery. That was by far a non-issue. If we didn't own a travel trailer, I probably would replace my truck with another BEV.
Honestly for us a PHEV with 50 miles of range would be perfect. 35 isn’t quite enough to be able to always drive it in EV around town. If I put in a Level 2 charger it would be because my wife is home throughout the day but the level 1 can’t add any meaningful charge in say 2 hours. Level 2 would give a full battery in 2 hours.
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Joined: Jan 2003
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From: Maryland
Warning: Some references to ICE vehicles below, may be unsettling to some.
I just calculated my cost to drive 2,500 miles in our 2023 Y down to FL and back. I spent a total of $298.55 at superchargers and left with 95% charge, which cost $8.40. Total was $306.95, or a little over 8 cents/mile. While that's much cheaper that it would have been taking my 20mpg (on a good day) truck, it's slightly more than it would have been driving a 30mpg CUV. That's based on my observed average 87 octane gas costs seen during the drive. I was driving at speeds I would normally drive, so I wasn't driving for energy savings. Prices per kWh varied quite a bit at the superchargers I stopped at. From a low of .26 to a high of .39 per kWh. My home rate is a static .11 per kWh plus a monthly fee of about $11 for having service.
This is pretty much what I expected, so it wasn't a shock. I have no regrets and will happily take it on other trips like this. When we first bought it I was a little nervous, worried about running out of battery. That was by far a non-issue. If we didn't own a travel trailer, I probably would replace my truck with another BEV.
I just calculated my cost to drive 2,500 miles in our 2023 Y down to FL and back. I spent a total of $298.55 at superchargers and left with 95% charge, which cost $8.40. Total was $306.95, or a little over 8 cents/mile. While that's much cheaper that it would have been taking my 20mpg (on a good day) truck, it's slightly more than it would have been driving a 30mpg CUV. That's based on my observed average 87 octane gas costs seen during the drive. I was driving at speeds I would normally drive, so I wasn't driving for energy savings. Prices per kWh varied quite a bit at the superchargers I stopped at. From a low of .26 to a high of .39 per kWh. My home rate is a static .11 per kWh plus a monthly fee of about $11 for having service.
This is pretty much what I expected, so it wasn't a shock. I have no regrets and will happily take it on other trips like this. When we first bought it I was a little nervous, worried about running out of battery. That was by far a non-issue. If we didn't own a travel trailer, I probably would replace my truck with another BEV.
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Its scary to think a sienna starts at $40k, atp for cars is $50k in the NADM, and now folks are going to have to normalize spending $55-72k for a vehicle thats gonna be a mobile family room on wheels.
yikes, affordability is become more of fairy tale these days on the new market.
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That makes sense, superchargers aren't that cheap compared to charging at my house but should still be a good bit cheaper than my Cayenne which on trips gets between 23-24 miles per gallon doing around 75mph. The big difference is I can get close to 500 miles on a full tank but that full tank with premium costs me about $85 to fill up. If I travel with my Plaid it is free for me since it came with free supercharging but I've only done that once since I got it.
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Yes, but hows that program doing? How much money are they pushing on each unit to move?
Its scary to think a sienna starts at $40k, atp for cars is $50k in the NADM, and now folks are going to have to normalize spending $55-72k for a vehicle thats gonna be a mobile family room on wheels.
yikes, affordability is become more of fairy tale these days on the new market.
Its scary to think a sienna starts at $40k, atp for cars is $50k in the NADM, and now folks are going to have to normalize spending $55-72k for a vehicle thats gonna be a mobile family room on wheels.
yikes, affordability is become more of fairy tale these days on the new market.
It’s inflation. $50k isn’t what it used to be.