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Old Oct 31, 2025 | 09:22 AM
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So here's an interesting question. If you take a car that many on here seem to like for various reasons, including Bit who owned it, what would you do in this scenario... Let's say Lexus offered the LC as an EV next year. The ride quality that many of us know and love about Lexus would be identical to the ICE version of the LC. Interior is identical, etc. Let's say the 0-60 and 0-100 times are identical as well. It's literally the exact same car - just one is offered as ICE and one is offered as EV. What would you choose?

I drove a new convertible LC a few years ago at a car "event" - it was a nice day in May, I had the top down, and I was driving on a winding road with beautiful trees. The sound of the exhaust as I went through the gears was amazing. I truly loved that car (even though I hated the infotainment, but whatever).

On one hand, the thought of having a car that rode that smooth as an EV would be incredibly compelling. No gears, instant torque, insane ride quality on any road. On the other hand, that sound was addicting.

So.... what would you choose and why?
As far as "EV's" You already know my answer . As far as LC, it's just not an LC without the 5.0L

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Originally Posted by jrmckinley
So here's an interesting question. If you take a car that many on here seem to like for various reasons, including Bit who owned it, what would you do in this scenario... Let's say Lexus offered the LC as an EV next year. The ride quality that many of us know and love about Lexus would be identical to the ICE version of the LC. Interior is identical, etc. Let's say the 0-60 and 0-100 times are identical as well. It's literally the exact same car - just one is offered as ICE and one is offered as EV. What would you choose?

I drove a new convertible LC a few years ago at a car "event" - it was a nice day in May, I had the top down, and I was driving on a winding road with beautiful trees. The sound of the exhaust as I went through the gears was amazing. I truly loved that car (even though I hated the infotainment, but whatever).

On one hand, the thought of having a car that rode that smooth as an EV would be incredibly compelling. No gears, instant torque, insane ride quality on any road. On the other hand, that sound was addicting.

So.... what would you choose and why?
To me, the Lexus LC without its V8 engine is a nonstarter, as that engine is integral to its identity and has been a central part of the LC program since its inception. This emotional connection in design is evident in every detail, both inside and out, and I value it far more than mere specifications. While an EV model may outperform the V8 in terms of performance, I'm perfectly fine with that.

This does bring up a valid point, can ev performance, which is known to hand out a whole can of whopping to ice performance, ever recreate the emotional connection ice does even with its shortcomings? Or will it need to always blend in like hev supercars etc?

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To me, the Lexus LC without its V8 engine is a nonstarter, as that engine is integral to its identity and has been a central part of the LC program since its inception. This emotional connection in design is evident in every detail, both inside and out, and I value it far more than mere specifications. While an EV model may outperform the V8 in terms of performance, I'm perfectly fine with that.
We really shouldn't be talking about the LC ICE version, but since we are I'm in agreement here. Without the 5.0L it's not an LC
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Old Oct 31, 2025 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jrmckinley
I feel like I'm in agreement with you here on all fronts. Well, maybe not the minivan front since I intentionally never owned one of those.. but whatever!
The minivan unfortunately is just the best family vehicle there is! An EV minivan would be great...
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Old Oct 31, 2025 | 10:34 AM
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To me, the Lexus LC without its V8 engine is a nonstarter, as that engine is integral to its identity and has been a central part of the LC program since its inception. This emotional connection in design is evident in every detail, both inside and out, and I value it far more than mere specifications. While an EV model may outperform the V8 in terms of performance, I'm perfectly fine with that.

This does bring up a valid point, can ev performance, which is known to hand out a whole can of whopping to ice performance, ever recreate the emotional connection ice does even with its shortcomings? Or will it need to always blend in like hev supercars etc?
Well said! I think your use of the words "emotional connection" are dead on. I heard Joe Rogan talking about his Model S Plaid but also saying how he has certain other cars (muscle cars if I remember correctly) that evoke raw emotion for him that can't be felt even in a quicker/faster EV.

Which then might bring up another question. My kids are 13. They both love the Tesla. If they grow up and never drive or ride in a car like a 911, LC, etc. that might evoke some connection due to the sound of the engine, running through gears, etc.... what emotional connections will they have 20 years from now? Remembering when they could actually DRIVE a car and it had a steering wheel and pedals?
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Old Oct 31, 2025 | 10:39 AM
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The minivan unfortunately is just the best family vehicle there is! An EV minivan would be great...
Close enough, even has the adaptable seating like most minivans.


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Close enough, even has the adaptable seating like most minivans.

The big thing missing is the sliding doors. They are the main thing that makes the minivan so great when you’re loading kids etc.

Also the price tag is a little higher. I hear the next gen Pacifica will come in ICE, PHEV and EV
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Old Oct 31, 2025 | 11:21 AM
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The minivan unfortunately is just the best family vehicle there is! An EV minivan would be great...
And would literally be the easiest possible vehicle class to make as an EV. I'm still baffled that a mainstream one doesn't exist yet. I'm counting out the ID.Buzz as....something else, more minivan-adjacent.

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Old Oct 31, 2025 | 11:34 AM
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is the ID.Buzz not a minivan BEV?
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Old Oct 31, 2025 | 11:56 AM
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EV van would be fine for soccer mom use. We use a van for travel. EV = No thanks. Toyota's hybrid Sienna and Honda's new 2026 hybrid Odyssey make sense for our family.
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Old Oct 31, 2025 | 12:23 PM
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I saw my first ID.Buzz a couple weeks ago, I thought it looked pretty cool. No idea if it is a POS or not but it looked good.
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Old Oct 31, 2025 | 12:44 PM
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Microbus and the spiritual successor being the ID.Buzz is better than a minivan the design is inherently "all space inside". I looked at the ID.Buzz yesterday there is one parked at a local dealer it's a cool vehicle. And yes it has loads of room. It's let down by so so power and crappy software. Shame, VW was so close to greatness.
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Old Oct 31, 2025 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by geko29
And would literally be the easiest possible vehicle class to make as an EV. I'm still baffled that a mainstream one doesn't exist yet. I'm counting out the ID.Buzz as....something else, more minivan-adjacent.
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is the ID.Buzz not a minivan BEV?
yeah the ID Buzz doesn't have quite the same practicality as the American minivan, they also have very poor range.

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EV van would be fine for soccer mom use. We use a van for travel. EV = No thanks. Toyota's hybrid Sienna and Honda's new 2026 hybrid Odyssey make sense for our family.
Depends on the range. For us an EV would be totally fine for travel as long as it has 350 miles of range or so. We always have to stop, the dog needs to be walked, the kids need to get food and go to the bathroom, stopping for 20 min to charge on a family trip for us would be no big deal. Its when I travel alone it would be a little more annoying because I never stop.

Hybrid Sienna is a total dog, screaming nasty 4 cyl, slow. Our PHEV Pacifica is much better to drive.
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Cost is the biggest problem with a bev minivan, and would be pushing into territory that require high atps. We shall see. With toyota showcasing the next corolla that should arrive in 2 years times, we shall see if the market leader sets the benchmark in economy evs.
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Pacifica looks way better too the Sienna has ridiculous styling.
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