The one thing going for Hyundai and Kia is that if you go to Korea, almost every car on the road is a Hyundai or Kia. While a relatively small market, they have such strong nationalism, even CEOs must be seen driving a Genesis than a Mercedes. That has caused them to make really good EVs, and they went all in on them, not like other automakers. And now that they have so many EV models shared across 3 brands, they are well positioned to be profitable if they aren't already.

 

Agreed. The point is the massive cost of developing a new EV platform is much higher than just developing another ICE model, that investment is all front ended so it takes time for it to become profitable

 

They literally just opened a $7.6bn EV plant in Georgia. That's far from their only EV investment - there are myriad details online, These are the kind of costs that factor into financials. Hyundai doesn't appear to break out EV financials the way Ford does and they also report under a locally modified IFRS and not US GAAP so it's not always easy to make comparisons.

 

Yep, hence why it doesn't make headlines.

 

I think Tesla forced Waymo to expand too quickly now they're making a bunch of mistakes. Plus Waymo has no emergency vehicle detection via audio input.

 

This was in SF where they have been running autonomous for years, so it's not even a new territory so not likely to be because of expansion.
Not a particularly Waymo supporter, but to be fair, without knowing more details, we don't know if the firetruck ran into the Waymo.... None of the comments on reddit or X about this incident seem to know what really happened. All we have is people jumping to conclusions it's the waymo's fault when all we know is that there was an accident involving the two. Looking closely, the Waymo is across the lane markers, but it could have been there first and fully stopped.

 

Given the number of incidents I'm not going to give Waymo the benefit of the doubt. Collides with a bus.


Two Waymo's meet

Wrong way

There are 100's of these types of mistakes.

 

Gosh, why would Austin let Elon expand the self driving territory less than a month after launching! All these mistakes must be because of the rapid expansion

 

IMO this is like saying Tesla FSD isn't safe because of reported accidents in the media. Need to see actual stats

 

I just have to say Dan Doud is one of the biggest fraudsters, he lives and breathes to destroy FSD. I take ZERO what he says seriously. That said, there are people who also want to make Waymo look bad to your point

 

Posting Dan O'Dowd content as a counter point, unreal. Gosh indeed.

Trapped in a Waymo for 18 minutes, this is why I say they expanded too quickly staff is stretched thin.

 

It's a one way road and the firetruck was going the wrong way, which I think is legal since it's on an emergency call but wanted to add context.

 

I don't know if this is real or not.

 

Real. Look up Fuel2Electric dot com.

 

I'm baffled why Tesla is allowing this, sure it's neat that FSD can adapt to different geometry but since every man and his dog likes to sue Tesla they should put a stop to this.