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The one thing going for Hyundai and Kia is that if you go to Korea, almost every car on the road is a Hyundai or Kia. While a relatively small market, they have such strong nationalism, even CEOs must be seen driving a Genesis than a Mercedes. That has caused them to make really good EVs, and they went all in on them, not like other automakers. And now that they have so many EV models shared across 3 brands, they are well positioned to be profitable if they aren't already.
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Agreed. The point is the massive cost of developing a new EV platform is much higher than just developing another ICE model, that investment is all front ended so it takes time for it to become profitable
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They literally just opened a $7.6bn EV plant in Georgia. That's far from their only EV investment - there are myriad details online, These are the kind of costs that factor into financials. Hyundai doesn't appear to break out EV financials the way Ford does and they also report under a locally modified IFRS and not US GAAP so it's not always easy to make comparisons.
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They literally just opened a $7.6bn EV plant in Georgia. That's far from their only EV investment - there are myriad details online, These are the kind of costs that factor into financials. Hyundai doesn't appear to break out EV financials the way Ford does and they also report under a locally modified IFRS and not US GAAP so it's not always easy to make comparisons.
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I think Tesla forced Waymo to expand too quickly now they're making a bunch of mistakes. Plus Waymo has no emergency vehicle detection via audio input.
https://x.com/niccruzpatane/status/1952960746608050509
https://x.com/niccruzpatane/status/1952960746608050509
Not a particularly Waymo supporter, but to be fair, without knowing more details, we don't know if the firetruck ran into the Waymo.... None of the comments on reddit or X about this incident seem to know what really happened. All we have is people jumping to conclusions it's the waymo's fault when all we know is that there was an accident involving the two. Looking closely, the Waymo is across the lane markers, but it could have been there first and fully stopped.
Last edited by RXSF; Aug 6, 2025 at 09:09 AM.
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Gosh, why would Austin let Elon expand the self driving territory less than a month after launching! All these mistakes must be because of the rapid expansion
Last edited by RXSF; Aug 6, 2025 at 09:54 AM.
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You're right, we should all stop giving the benefit of the doubt.
https://x.com/RealDanODowd/status/1937179084431532074
https://x.com/PCMag/status/1942271176660615456
https://x.com/RealDanODowd/status/1948762096025698613
https://x.com/RealDanODowd/status/1937179084431532074
https://x.com/PCMag/status/1942271176660615456
https://x.com/RealDanODowd/status/1948762096025698613
Last edited by AMIRZA786; Aug 6, 2025 at 09:57 AM.
This was in SF where they have been running autonomous for years, so it's not even a new territory so not likely to be because of expansion.
Not a particularly Waymo supporter, but to be fair, without knowing more details, we don't know if the firetruck ran into the Waymo.... None of the comments on reddit or X about this incident seem to know what really happened. All we have is people jumping to conclusions it's the waymo's fault when all we know is that there was an accident involving the two. Looking closely, the Waymo is across the lane markers, but it could have been there first and fully stopped.
Not a particularly Waymo supporter, but to be fair, without knowing more details, we don't know if the firetruck ran into the Waymo.... None of the comments on reddit or X about this incident seem to know what really happened. All we have is people jumping to conclusions it's the waymo's fault when all we know is that there was an accident involving the two. Looking closely, the Waymo is across the lane markers, but it could have been there first and fully stopped.