will always be a thing/issue…

 

With all your EV experience, I guess you are the best person to make this statement....

 

It is a valid question, especially if you live in places where charging infrastructure is poor and neglected. But I've seen with my own eyes it being solved. The number of superchargers in California now outnumbers gas stations. In just the last two years traveling with an EV has become a no brainer. Bit is right about another thing, lots of armchair EV critics who have no idea what they are talking about. Bit used to be one of them, so he should know 🤣

 

I personally will always prefer to not have to stop for 25+ minutes to charge on a trip. That's not to say that isn't a thing that is manageable and isn't that big a deal, but I would rather have the ability to drive straight without stopping, or stop for 5 minutes to refuel if I want to do that. Its the only thing that still holds me back.

 

You said in one of your posts that you spent more than 20 minutes at a stop. I spend the same amount of time at a charging stop as I would if I stopped at a gas station. By the time I go to the bathroom, stretch my legs it's time to move on. I never drive without stopping, never have, never will, gas or charging. That said, it's never taken more than 20 minutes to charge, except when I had the Polestar, that took anywhere from 35 to 40 minutes, but that was a 2023 model with a slow charging curve

 

I CHOSE to spend 20 minutes at Bucees. I don't want to HAVE to make that stop, thats the difference. Sometimes I'm happy to stop, sometimes I just want to keep on driving. When I stop for gas I stop, pump gas, buy a soda and perhaps pee while the pump is pumping and go. its 5 minutes not 25 minutes. My car however gets almost 600 miles of highway range, I don't ever have to stop for gas. The Pacifica gets about 400 miles which also gets us wherever we're going without stopping basically.

This is just a tradeoff with an EV vs an ICE car, it is what it is. We are a long way off from 5 minute charging stops, if that ever happens. Its a tradeoff I will accept but its not something that excites me.

 

If someone wants a 5 minute charging stop, than an EV is not for them, 5 minute charging is a long way off, although I've done plenty of 10 minute charging stops. The trade off is totally worth it to me. Half the cost of fueling at the pump. Better, smoother driving experience. It's the reason I don't take my Sienna or rent a gas car for trips unless I need more seats, or need the space of a minivan

 

As plentiful as chargers are in California and for daily driving, driving an EV long distance from San Francisco to SoCal, Santa Ana area was extremely inconvenient for me last year. I was in my friend's M3 Pre-highland model RWD (not long range). The vehicle was rated 270ish miles at 100%. We had to stop 4 times for charging for about a 400 mile road trip, but granted we started off with little to no charge. The Tesla navi was having us charge to percentages that I didn't agree with, though I can't say for certain who knows better. It doesn't make sense in my mind to charge to 60% and then have to stop again according to the route planner. We certainly did not need that many bathroom breaks.

Anyway, I vowed I would not do that again unless the vehicle has longer range. This particular trip would have been more convenient in a gas powered vehicle. It's just my personal thoughts. Please don't give me the whole EV schpeal, as I own 2 EVs. But I will most definitely rent a vehicle the next time I drive down to Socal.

 

Oh yeah, those have terrible range. My wife's nephew has the base rwd, 2023 Model 3 with the LFP battery and range sucks. The problem goes away with either the Dual Motor Model 3 LR or Y awd, or the refresh models. My coworkers 2024 Model 3 rwd has more range than my Model 3 AWD

If I still had my Polestar, I wouldn't take that on any more trips, I had some very interesting experiences with that vehicle

 

the funny thing about complaints of having to charge on longer trips is what's conveniently left out is all the time SAVED not having to go to gas stations during MOST use of the vehicle!

 

I agree. Never going back

 

I think the reality is, everybody wants a 5 minute charging stop if they're being real. Nobody WANTS to stop for 25 minutes. Its like stopping for gas, I would rather never stop for gas, thats why I like long highway range on cars. I love that my car gets all the way to WV on just over a 1/2 tank of gas when I used to have to stop to refuel cars 2/3rds of the way there.

I too agree the benefits are worth the tradeoff, but that was Jill's point...its always going to be a tradeoff. Always going to be a reality that exists between the two platforms.

Exactly, there are tradeoffs. Both platforms have plusses and minuses.

 

Everything is a trade off. I drove an IS350 as a daily commuter that took expensive premium, got horrible gas mileage, only had a 350 mile range so I had to make at least one gas stop on trips, but it was my preferred car as a daily and trip car. Both my Tesla's IMO outweigh any benefits my IS350 gave me. Just my opinion.

Anyway, EV's are the future, they will get better, charge faster and have more range as the tech improves. I've seen this first hand owning/leasing them since 2020

 

Yep, everything in life is a tradeoff. My point was just that what Jill said it right, thats something that is going to be a tradeoff with EVs. Not a deal breaker.

 

Difference between reality and pushing a talking point.

Then there is maintenance how come the EV critics never bring this up? I see people at the Toyota dealership waiting for their cars to be serviced it's a village of the damned they hate it. And it's expensive. Won't be surprised if someone tells me sitting in a dealership is enjoyable.