Its been out since March of last year in Europe and won numerous awards since then.

https://www.hyundai.news/eu/articles...esign%20trophy.

Also won Germany's car of the year. I'd say, its objectively done very well with the critics because its an excellent car. Lets see how this BZ4X does.

 

lol

But please, go ahead and tell me how this car is trash because of a totally unrelated car whose issues came from a third party.

 

Trash is a pretty good description for Hyundais through most of their discount brand history.

And considering all the fires, maybe they should name their next model the Hyundai Dumpster Fire.

 

No actual arguments, only more provocative inflammatory remarks?

Making this so easy lol.

 

But there's nothing wrong with that. Some people want something different and sportier than offered by Toyota. I happen to love Toyota/Lexus, over 25 years of ownership (7 Toyotas and one Lexus since 1996) but for EV'S currently I would buy the Ioniq 5 over anything currently being released by Toyota. My wife is currently driving a 2020 Ioniq EV, two years and 19k later it's an excellent commuter and has given us zero issues. When the lease is over end of next year, I'm probably going to replace it with whatever Ioniq Hyundai releases

 

Nobody's trying to say that Toyota is the leader in EV's. They are not, but I'm sure over the next 2-3 years you'll see a radical change.

EV's are still new. I think Toyota and Honda are smart to not rush to the EV game.

It's funny. It's almost as if Toyota/Lexus just said "okay, fine. We didn't give much effort building the best EV we can since it's not our main project, but since you guys want one from us so bad, here it is." and they'll proceed to sell a lot of them.

 

When you don't have facts, the next step is to just up the inflammatory remarks to avoid having to provide facts

 

161 vehicle fires is a lot of fires. Theres clearly some issue there which is why the recall was issued.

I still wouldn't hesitate to buy another Hyundai or Kia product.

 

It's not about rushing in (which is actually Toyota's problem), it's about being behind and not being proactive and forward thinking when the writing was on the wall years ago. Even Hyundai, Kia, Polestar, VW etc are way behind Tesla, and they are playing catch up. It took Tesla almost 8 or 9 years and Billions of dollars of investment to perfect the battery and drivetrains. Now they have over a million EV's on the road, and most Tesla customers are loyal to the brand and their next purchase will be another Tesla. They have built massive factories dedicated to EV production and battery packs, and none of its other competitors can even keep pace with Tesla.

If you want to build a good EV, it doesn't happen overnight. Tesla is constantly making changes and tweaking because they are in a good position being way ahead, Toyota and other companies producing EV's won't have that luxury. It they put a meh EV out, customers are going to have to live with it for at least 3 years until the next gen is released. That's going make customers like me (more than 25 years of Toyota purchases) go to other EV's like the Ioniq 5 or Ford F-150 Lightning.

Yes, in the next 2 to 3 years there is going to be rapid changes, but Toyota is going to be behind all the competition, including Ford, GM, and Hyundai...and Even VW and Audi. Designing, building, optimizing an EV takes years, and other companies have already jumped in and are years ahead. Oh, and let's not forget charging infrastructure, which to my knowledge Toyota has none

 

They will barely sell any in 2023. Like a month's worth of Tesla deliveries at a single busy delivery center. Its because they bet the farm on hydrogen fuel cell and didn't secure enough batteries while the rest of the competition started securing batteries a couple years back.

Tesla already outsells all of Lexus by a large margin in the US. Kinda what happens when you are asleep at the wheel...Toyota know that this should have never happened.

 

Just unfortunate seeing these cars on fire. Wonder if it the regular Soul or the Soul EV is hotter.

 

Hyundai definitely has a 5 alarm on their hands. (I read there has already been a class action settlement)

 

Okay. This thread is starting to get a little over the top, even for me being someone who likes to poke fun at brands.......I have, unlike most here, actually have had cars catch fire on me. All three were GM products. That doesn't mean GM is trash, that doesn't mean I won't trust them or own them......it's more than anything a reflection an a specific car and a POTENITAL risk from a given design to light up. It can be from gas lines in a stupid place/material, oil having a leak path that lights up, now if this happens a lot with cars that are not at least 5 years old I may be more concerned but once things get old and start leaking/having imperfect seals it reflects far more on the owner than the maker if it lights up.

EVEN WITH the chance of a fire risk happening you would be astounded just how much of an issue is required for something to actually light up. I have dealt with raw fuel leaks from failed nylon lines actively leaking on top of a 3800 SC engine and 350 LT engine leaking without the4 car lighting up.....Now I did have a V6 vortech catch fire and nearly kill me but that's because the owner failed to disclose issues with the "no start" issue being no fuel pressure since it was spraying everywhere. That's not quite the same though. Also a serious contributing factor to me wanting to leave my line of work and only accept safer cars.

NO ONE one this forum who regularly post and discuses topics would be at risk from this IMO, we are simply too in tune with our cars to just ignore an issue like this. EVs can be another issues because they are a more "stealthily" igniting type of car......still not a major risk IMO but to be fair they do not give warning signs.

 

I think what is interesting about the Hyundai case is how out of control it is,…and how it keeps growing and growing. I believe Hyundai has “recalled” Hyundai’s that have already been “recalled”. Now the hydrogen fuel cells are being recalled too. So when does it stop or does it keeping on going.

What were the causes of the entire fires you experienced?

 

Fuel line abrasion due to owners letting the issue go for at least 50k miles....that or attempted fixes that cracked surrounding parts from lack of knowledge of where to pry.