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Even better…choice..one can choose from made in Japan or Made in USA. in the case of some, a RAV4 hybrid made with American labour will be the selection
Toyota in Kentucky only made the hybrid
Last edited by Toys4RJill; May 23, 2025 at 07:24 PM.
They have a huge winner on their hands. You have to give it to Toyota for having the foresight to invest heavily in Hybrid tech and build production capacity
Outside of pick up trucks their current line up is probably the strongest & most competitive in years.
So what's your point? I never said RAV4's didn't sell...in fact, if you bother to read what I post, I said the opposite. My point is that, IMO, there are nicer vehicles IN THAT CLASS to both sit in and drive. Personally, I have generally found the design and materials of (particularly) the last two generations of the RAV-4 to be especially-disappointing....although I like the fact that make a good hybrid version.
What does “nicer” mean? They may be more upscale feeling inside but they’re nowhere near as efficient, nowhere near as reliable and don’t hold their value nearly as well.
Case in point the CRV. I also know lots of people with CRVs that are varying ages, and none of them have had trouble free experiences. Everybody I know with a Rav 4 has had a trouble free experience. That’s what the buyer of that kind of vehicle wants, to them that’s the nicest thing. This isnt a luxury car.
I just don’t feel like you’re recognizing how excellent this car is and not seeing why it’s so successful. It’s not because “people are sheep”, it’s because it’s so good they have no reason to roll the dice on something else. It has everything they want and being a little fancier looking inside doesn’t mean anything to them.
What does “nicer” mean? They may be more upscale feeling inside but they’re nowhere near as efficient, nowhere near as reliable and don’t hold their value nearly as well.
Case in point the CRV. I also know lots of people with CRVs that are varying ages, and none of them have had trouble free experiences. Everybody I know with a Rav 4 has had a trouble free experience. That’s what the buyer of that kind of vehicle wants, to them that’s the nicest thing. This isnt a luxury car.
I just don’t feel like you’re recognizing how excellent this car is and not seeing why it’s so successful. It’s not because “people are sheep”, it’s because it’s so good they have no reason to roll the dice on something else. It has everything they want and being a little fancier looking inside doesn’t mean anything to them.
I clearly recognize why it is successful. Lots of people want reliability, and, with a few exceptions like the more recent trucks and their failing engines, Toyota generally makes the most reliable and well-engineered drivetrains. But not everything in a vehicle can be measured under the hood.....and that, IMHO, is where a lot of Toyota products often don't cut it. The C-Channel truck-frames, for example, had a notorious reputation for corrosion and a lack of strength.
And, even with drivetrains, Toyota products sometimes fall short. In their body-on-frame trucks, for example, it took FAR too long for the company to get rid of the primitive and archaic part-time 4WD, with the manually-operated transfer-case and lack of a center differential. Others trucks and SUVs had converted to the electronic 4WD/AWD years before Toyota did...and the part-time system is still standard on some models.
I clearly recognize why it is successful. Lots of people want reliability, and, with a few exceptions like the more recent trucks and their failing engines, Toyota generally makes the most reliable and well-engineered drivetrains. But not everything in a vehicle can be measured under the hood.....and that, IMHO, is where a lot of Toyota products often don't cut it. The C-Channel truck-frames, for example, had a notorious reputation for corrosion and a lack of strength.
And, even with drivetrains, Toyota products sometimes fall short. In their body-on-frame trucks, for example, it took FAR too long for the company to get rid of the primitive and archaic part-time 4WD, with the manually-operated transfer-case and lack of a center differential. Others trucks and SUVs had converted to the electronic 4WD/AWD years before Toyota did...and the part-time system is still standard on some models.
Now you're stretching to things that just have nothing to do with this product to try and run it down lol. Toyota makes overall the most reliable cars on the road, there is just no argument against that. Nobody is making a foolish choice buying basically any Toyota. Just look at all the Tacomas for instance still on the road at even advanced age even with C channel frames which yeah rusted 30+ years ago, not anymore.
The point is, you want more out of a vehicle when it comes to interior materials and comfort than what a Toyota provides. Thats 100% fair, I too want more of those things and technology and performance than a Toyota or Lexus provides, so I don't buy them same as you don't buy them. Claiming that this product is not a great product though and claiming that people buy them because they are sheep however is absurd. This is an excellent product that is a smart buy for any purchaser who prioritizes fuel economy, reliability and longevity.
Now you're stretching to things that just have nothing to do with this product to try and run it down lol. Toyota makes overall the most reliable cars on the road, there is just no argument against that. Nobody is making a foolish choice buying basically any Toyota. Just look at all the Tacomas for instance still on the road at even advanced age even with C channel frames which yeah rusted 30+ years ago, not anymore.
The point is, you want more out of a vehicle when it comes to interior materials and comfort than what a Toyota provides. Thats 100% fair, I too want more of those things and technology and performance than a Toyota or Lexus provides, so I don't buy them same as you don't buy them. Claiming that this product is not a great product though and claiming that people buy them because they are sheep however is absurd. This is an excellent product that is a smart buy for any purchaser who prioritizes fuel economy, reliability and longevity.
I think you are stretching what I said. I gave Toyota (deserved) credit for what it does well.....engineering drivetrains.
Nor does smoothness, response, and power it seems if we are going on sales numbers.
It would be interesting to see what people actually want if everything was blanket priced and the only deciding factors are what people really want to drive
Nor does smoothness, response, and power it seems if we are going on sales numbers.
It would be interesting to see what people actually want if everything was blanket priced and the only deciding factors are what people really want to drive
Most people just want a reliable car that fits their needs and feels good to drive that they like the looks of.
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I never said RAV4's didn't sell...in fact, if you bother to read what I post, I said the opposite. My point is that, IMO, there are nicer vehicles IN THAT CLASS to both sit in and drive. Personally, I have generally found the design and materials of (particularly) the last two generations of the RAV-4 to be especially-disappointing....although I like the fact that make a good hybrid version.
