Toyota owners are insanely loyal they'll buy this new RAV in droves. I've convinced dozens of people over the decades to dump their unreliable cars and buy Toyota now I'm trying to talk them into going with something else like an EV they won't listen.

 

It is what is, I get that.
But, I want more for my hard earned money. 😃

More, more, more.
Me, me, me. 📣 💯 😂 👀

$40k buys some really nice used cars too.

 

Those are my thoughts.....$40k on what exactly lol!

 

Yep, they are all noisy as hell. The rav being less offense than some others doesn't change that it's a solid "meh" product

 

And that's the whole issue! You need to wind it out to move along with any semblance of urgency

 

Exactly. No one outside of striker is winding out a RAV4 hybrid. Plus at idle they mostly run off the hybrid battery. Engine is on only to charge the hybrid battery. If I have to go sit in a carpool line or if I’m going to be sitting outside waiting in the car, I’m taking a hybrid.

The GR Rav has been in Europe since 2022. Also idk if it still holds the title of the 2nd fastest Toyota vehicle 0-60.

40 has been the new 20 in human years for some time and now it’s found its way into price of vehicles.

LX600/700, $100k is the new $80k

I will own a 6th gen Rav. If they are anything like the 5th gen, they will be reliable as well. 42k miles in so far on our ‘23 RAV4 hybrid and it’s never had service for anything outside of 4 oil changes, 5k tire rotations and couple air and cabin filters. Not trying to start a war and derail this thread but my friend’s M3LR and MYLR have been in for service issues more than our hybrid RAV4s. Maybe he’s hard on vehicles

 

On a new, safe, reliable, inexpensive to maintain, inexpensive to fuel and attractive vehicle. You can always buy some used car for less, but its still a used car not a new car.

If the Rav 4 weren't a compelling product it wouldn't be the best selling vehicle in the United States. Everybody who buys one isn't a moron lol

 

People put value on different things, nobody is accusing anyone of being a moron, you made that up. Haha 😂

In all fairness, if the interest rates every rise to crazy levels like they did back in the day, car payments will go thru the roof and people will be demanding more for the money and screaming highway robbery!

Cheap loans is the only reason I think the mfgs are getting away with these prices.

I'm happy to be wrong though but that's where I'm at right now. 🏆

 

Its main selling point, like that of many Toyotas (with some of the newer Toyota trucks excepted) is a well-engineered and reliable drivetrain. But except for that, the RAV-4 at least IMO, is not all that much to write home about. There are a number of compact-crossovers in that size/price range that are more pleasant to drive and offer better comfort....particularly from GM. And the last two generations of RAV-4, before this new one, have had bargain-basement interiors.

 

A ‘23 RAV4 hybrid is just as fast are our old LX 570 to 60. Which one accelerated easier/more smooth, the RAV4 hybrid. The pedal feel on the 16-21 LX 570 was lethargic. You have to get in the gas and drop a gear or two for it move out.

When my wife started driving the PHEV Rav on weekends, she started growing out of the LX 570 and she said it made her miss the responsiveness and smoothness of her RX450h. And that marked the beginning of the end for the LX 570 for us.

Exactly. It’s not the best vehicle on the market by any means but it’s good at what it’s meant for. On top of what you said, It’s practical.

Sure it’s “boring” but for those who drive them, they weren’t in the market for excitement. I ordered the ‘23 RAV4 hybrid initially then after I learned about the PHEV Rav and saw it had an additional 126hp more, I was intrigued by it and also the hunt to find one without markup. Took delivery of both 2 days apart in 2 different states. They both arrived at the port at the same time.

Then on the PHEV Rav, I experienced EV mode and it became a game on how long/far I can drive in EV mode without using gas (dragging the fuel around as those may say). But when I went into HV mode, the extra hp was plenty of fun to me.

All while this was happening my 3rd gen Prius sat in the garage for several months and I had to put it back in service or risk bricking the hybrid battery. Luckily I would start it and let it idle but it had the same tank of gas for about 9 months or so.

 

I must have driven defective ones then, the ones I drove had to hold 4500+ rpm to accelerate acceptably with the accompanying CVT hum. The LXs can make do with 2500-3200 no problem....and don't subject you to annoying 4 cyl noises, you get a Yamaha purr instead

Speaking of RX450h, we might be getting one for free soon......owner has grown tired of it (had it for 10 years and 240k) and wants to upgrade to a newer one. It's one of the worst driving cars I've ever suffered but free is free and it has had a known easy life. I dislike the ride mostly, very pogo-stick feeling and has the typical CUV rolling feel to it. I have no expectations of a hybrid in terms of power or smoothness and while I guess it has some smoothness because of the lack of gears it's just very meh, engine is loud and drones if I make it drive like I prefer to. Laid back it's fine, can't complain other than the fact it shuts off constantly

My wife is the one enabling the connection so to speak but she HATES the way the hybrid drives, always complains it's rubber bandy, laggy, and disjointed on top of having the start stop she hates more than anyone else in my immediate group lol!

 

Def not. I remember buying my G37 in 2013. It was about $44k OTD and I felt like that was a lot.

My IS 500 was $68k and it didn't feel like a lot. My perception of money has changed radically over the last 12 years.

As far as the RAV4 goes, they'll sell a ton of them. It's just a boring appliance to me.

 

That's how the system works stomp the gas pedal and the engine maintains RPM in peak power band. Problem is the 4-cylinder simply doesn't sound good at least with the V6 hybrids the engine sounds decent, still not great since having the exact same tone on hard acceleration is kinda annoying but not terrible on the V6.

 

That was my whole point. -sarcasm lol!

The V6 is tolerable, nothing more. If it was an I-6 it would be much better but Toyota forgot how to make those it would seem.....

V8 is the minimum for smooth IMO, a 12 is ideal without becoming entirely sterile since they become audible over 3k. Best part is you never "need" 3k as 2400 lets you outpace a tuned LS430 that's damn near flooring it so if you don't want any noise you don't have any.

The only 4 I've ever owned is a diesel, those noises are entertaining though. Whistle on shifts, clatter at idle, and you still don't "need" to ever rev past 3k unlike gas 4s on top of 55-65mpg

 

I joined a GR Corolla Facebook group when Toyota sent me the 2025 model for review at the end of last year, and the crew's reaction to the new GR SPORT is very positive.

I'll also be excited to see where Lexus takes the next NX 450h+ F Sport, although they'll probably ruin the front end/grille area.