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Lead Lap
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The use of weasel words like "deductive reasoning" to explain the complete lack of any actual data or evidence broadly confirm that the real intent in posting that video is trolling.
So let's not feed the troll.
So let's not feed the troll.
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Gasoline is highly explosive, especially in small amounts exposed to oxygen. When I was a kid I almost burned down my garage pouring it into a small glass and lighting it.
There's a reason why smoking is not allowed while fueling, and why you are supposed to discharge static electricity by grounding yourself, the vapors can cause a fire. No you probably can't drop a match into a fuel tank opening and the car will explode, but I wouldn't recommend it 😦
There's a reason why smoking is not allowed while fueling, and why you are supposed to discharge static electricity by grounding yourself, the vapors can cause a fire. No you probably can't drop a match into a fuel tank opening and the car will explode, but I wouldn't recommend it 😦
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If the tank is mostly empty and the cap has been off for a bit (oxygen enters) it might violently explode. I know someone that tried to weld a fuel tank he washed the tank many times didn't matter. The tank flashed and rapidly expanded it shot across his yard he was lucky to be alive. The tank cracked. Gasoline itself is not explosive the vapour is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBFVb2a7Mo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBFVb2a7Mo
There are just lots of misconceptions about gasoline. It's just about impossible to make a car explode by shooing it, for example. Cars are designed to not explode when crashed into at 60MPH. In The Terminator Reese shoots a muffler and the whole car explodes lol.
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There are numerous systems in a car to tame the vapours that's why I'm not a big fan of plug-in hybrids. You have emissions controls and a battery management system. Too complex. Put it this way I would never buy any plug-in hybrid besides a Toyota, with Toyota I know the car will be reliable.
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It's frightening you actually believe this. Truly. Gasoline has a flash point of -30F the vapours and insanely explosive. Combine that in an enclosed space and it becomes exponentially more dangerous.
edit - I'm rarely completely baffled by posts here but this time I am. You have to be trolling.
edit - I'm rarely completely baffled by posts here but this time I am. You have to be trolling.
You're just desperately trying to defend any potentially negative information about EVs, as always. Like it or not, there is a fire danger when charging any Li-ion battery. I just agree the danger is small.
If the tank is mostly empty and the cap has been off for a bit (oxygen enters) it might violently explode. I know someone that tried to weld a fuel tank he washed the tank many times didn't matter. The tank flashed and rapidly expanded it shot across his yard he was lucky to be alive. The tank cracked. Gasoline itself is not explosive the vapour is
That's why fuel tanks are steam cleaned several times before being repaired even a small residual of gas is dangerous. Standing gasoline in an enclosed space (garage) creates vapour if enough builds up and ignites it will level the garage.
edit - this illustrates perfectly, vapour build up in the cabin now imagine this happening in your garage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBFVb2a7Mo
That's why fuel tanks are steam cleaned several times before being repaired even a small residual of gas is dangerous. Standing gasoline in an enclosed space (garage) creates vapour if enough builds up and ignites it will level the garage.
edit - this illustrates perfectly, vapour build up in the cabin now imagine this happening in your garage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DBFVb2a7Mo
Nobody is saying gasoline is not explosive, its just a question of how much the vapors need to build up inside a confined space before it will cause an explosion. Gas on the floor of your garage can burn your garage down, but its not going to cause your garage to explode.
Last edited by SW17LS; Jan 13, 2024 at 04:05 PM.
Lead Lap
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Lead Lap
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plus, ev's are just quiet and smooth and instant, so it's very stress free as a vacation vehicle. again, yes, one should have figured out the charging scenarios ahead of time.
but from a rental car as transportation I don't see how its better than renting an ICE car. Costwise, you have to make sure to charge it on the way to the airport or they charge you, where if I'm not driving enough to need to charge it I wouldn't use $35 in gas in something comparable to a Model 3 in size.
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Lead Lap
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I received the model 3 with 67%. I paid $34.34 charging 3x in Orlando. I charged once on Thursday the day I picked it up and 2x on Friday before turning it back in on Saturday morning. First two charges I was limited to 80%. Final charge I was able to charge to 90% due to supercharger being empty I assume though before I was finishes charging, the charging filled up and soon as the person plugged in next to me I saw the charging speed plummet.
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Lead Lap
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A puddle of gasoline on the floor of a garage will not explode lol. There are not enough vapors there to concentrate in the garage to cause an explosion. Yes it will burn and cause a fire, but it will not explode. A couple gallons of gasoline on the floor of a 20x20x10 garage (which is 4,000 cubic feet of space and is not well sealed) is not "a bomb".
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I guess when someone installs an EVSE to charge electric vehicles in a garage, he would probably need to install:
- Garage smoke detector
- Garage EVSE disconnect switch (if electrical panel access would be inaccessible)
- Garage monitoring camera with smartphone app
- Garage fire extinguisher
- A top rated home insurance
CL Community Team
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Wiring a EV charger is a simple/intermediate DIY task for a homeowner assuming he is following code, passes an inspection while properly torquing the connections and sizing the circuit/breaker. In summary:
- Plug in a 40 amp charger to a 14-50 or 6/50 receptacle needs a 6/3 NM-B cable and a very expensive GFCI 50 amp breaker.
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You are also not traveling with a family, etc. It’s a lot to plan and be mentally aware of, I don’t need one more thing.
You know I am all for EVs, but I don’t have any desire to have one without my charger in the garage for it to charge while I sleep. That’s my concern about traveling with one.
har har... my tesla rental came with about 85% i think, which was plenty. drove it to about 40%, then charged to 80% (15 minutes tops), drove down to about 30%, charged to 70% i think, and one final charge on way to airport. total charing cost cost was $11 i think (and no $35 fee)..
Both technologies have inherent dangers, but they are very unlikely to occur
when you go to disney world, i think finding a tesla charger will not be an issue... disney even has them ON PROPERTY.
You are also not traveling with a family, etc. It’s a lot to plan and be mentally aware of, I don’t need one more thing.
You know I am all for EVs, but I don’t have any desire to have one without my charger in the garage for it to charge while I sleep. That’s my concern about traveling with one.