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Old Nov 29, 2023 | 02:44 PM
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I’m anti government push.
I don't think you have to worry about that. What you have to worry about is people getting a taste of them and never wanting to go back
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Let me guess though…..cold weather DOESN’T affect range 20% in an EV?
Cold weather absolutely impacts EV range. And the linked article clearly says it does.
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I gotta say, driving the Pacifica in EV mode makes me want an EV for sure
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Old Nov 29, 2023 | 02:46 PM
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I gotta say, driving the Pacifica in EV mode makes me want an EV for sure
See this AJT my brother what you have to worry about. Once @SW17LS gets his i7, he'll never want to go back....
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Honestly AJT, with all the things you like about your own vehicles and also the ones you have driven like the EcoBoost I think you would love an EV. Massive torque, instant power, stellar NVH, unparalleled smoothness and more. I think you'd love one.
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
You're talking about older EV's. All the newer EV's have heat pumps that are highly efficient. In my case, max 4 to 5 percent
So the narrative is that ICE cars lose 20-33% of their range, but EVs only lose 5% in freezing cold weather?

Not buying it!
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So the narrative is that ICE cars lose 20-33% of their range, but EVs only lose 5% in freezing cold weather?

Not buying it!
No, EV's absolutely lose range in extreme heat or cold. It's physics. 20 percent in extreme cold. I have no idea how much ICE lose, but they also lose range in extreme weather. I would say in my weather, 5 to 8 percent
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Old Nov 29, 2023 | 02:56 PM
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Not freaking 20% that is the biggest load I’ve ever heard.
I agree. I usually average about 20 mpg in my LS with my driving habits. Sometimes a little better. Never got even close to 16.
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Honestly AJT, with all the things you like about your own vehicles and also the ones you have driven like the EcoBoost I think you would love an EV. Massive torque, instant power, stellar NVH, unparalleled smoothness and more. I think you'd love one.
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I agree. I usually average about 20 mpg in my LS with my driving habits. Sometimes a little better. Never got even close to 16.
You live in SC. You guys don't have cold enough temps to see what we are talking about, we really don't either here in the DC area. Go where its colder though, and you will absolutely see a 20% fuel economy dropoff in an ICE vehicle. Driving to Albany, NY for instance which I do every New Years I absolutely get 20% less highway range when it gets cold.
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See this AJT my brother what you have to worry about. Once @SW17LS gets his i7, he'll never want to go back....
Probably not, and that's great.

My issue with the 7 series isn't EV at all (in fact, I like that you can't tell them apart).... it's that the thing is a movie theater rather than a car. Just so over the top. Have you seen the ads? It's just ridiculous. But for others it's just what they want, so good.
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So the narrative is that ICE cars lose 20-33% of their range, but EVs only lose 5% in freezing cold weather?

Not buying it!
Again, you're putting words in his mouth. He said HE sees 5% because it doesnt get very cold where he lives. You will absolutely see 20%+ EV range dropoff in cold weather somewhere that you would see that in an ICE car.
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Probably not, and that's great.

My issue with the 7 series isn't EV at all (in fact, I like that you can't tell them apart).... it's that the thing is a movie theater rather than a car. Just so over the top. Have you seen the ads? It's just ridiculous. But for others it's just what they want, so good.
I have no intention of getting the movie screen lol

And yes I am certainly driving my last or second to last ICE car.
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You live in SC. You guys don't have cold enough temps to see what we are talking about, we really don't either here in the DC area. Go where its colder though, and you will absolutely see a 20% fuel economy dropoff in an ICE vehicle. Driving to Albany, NY for instance which I do every New Years I absolutely get 20% less highway range when it gets cold.
My cousin, someone finally had the time to get technical rather than yes/no, who has a newer Lexus in Rochester says she gets 43MPG in the winter versus 45 in the summer but mostly attributes that to remote start that she uses religiously. EVERYONE up there uses it, or installs them.
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My cousin, someone finally had the time to get technical rather than yes/no, who has a newer Lexus in Rochester says she gets 43MPG in the winter versus 45 in the summer but mostly attributes that to remote start that she uses religiously. EVERYONE up there uses it, or installs them.
Thats just not possible. If she gets 43 MPG she has a Lexus hybrid, and having had a Toyota Hybrid myself, the fuel economy loss is MORE than 20%.
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Old Nov 29, 2023 | 03:12 PM
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Thats just not possible. If she gets 43 MPG she has a Lexus hybrid, and having had a Toyota Hybrid myself, the fuel economy loss is MORE than 20%.
I mean I guess. It's been pretty cold here this week, abnormally cold.

Like I said I just finished a tank of fuel 100% stop and go driving at 14.2 MPG, rated for 12. It's cold out.

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