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Correct, my point is things like this happen all the time. Private sector.
Our government couldn’t run a successful hot dog stand in Times Square.
Mostly true. Look what happened to NASA they got so bogged down in red tape they stopped putting any payload into orbit it took private enterprise to make launches affordable. But in some cases government is needed, private enterprise won't touch sectors that lose money but some of those sectors are vital.
Back to EV marketshare, if the United States only gets to say 20% EV adoption then it will be the outlier places like China and Europe are way ahead. China will likely be 100% EV before anyone else.
Mostly true. Look what happened to NASA they got so bogged down in red tape they stopped putting any payload into orbit it took private enterprise to make launches affordable. But in some cases government is needed, private enterprise won't touch sectors that lose money but some of those sectors are vital.
Back to EV marketshare, if the United States only gets to say 20% EV adoption then it will be the outlier places like China and Europe are way ahead. China will likely be 100% EV before anyone else.
Right but China as a nation pollutes so horrendously and carelessly it would make you sick to your stomach, if you don't consider a SULEV in 2004 clean enough over here.
My point was my 20 year old car was a SULEV wayyyyyyyyyyy before anyone was asking/requiring it to be. We don’t need the government for everything.
The LS430 isn't/wasn't SULEV...
And private industry can't be trusted when it comes to infrastructure. The role of government is to act as the adult in the room, because unchecked the private sector will always prioritize margin over doing what the average person would agree is the right thing. They're not building roads without tolls, they're not delivering mail to remote locations, and they're not keeping beautiful places beautiful if there's even a hint of something valuable in or underneath those beautiful places.
And government money is absolutely responsible for medical and scientific advances, even those later monetized by private industry. I'm the father of an immunologist with a PhD in molecular medicine who is researching things like CRISPR and ways to trigger the human immune response in cancer cells. And much of the funding for the research lab, like many if not most research labs, is public.
Right but China as a nation pollutes so horrendously and carelessly it would make you sick to your stomach, if you don't consider a SULEV in 2004 clean enough over here.
The west already went through their industrial revolution polluting with abandoned. China will eventually clean up their act at least I hope. But don't blame just China, we are the ones that bought all the crap produced there.
The west already went through their industrial revolution polluting with abandoned. China will eventually clean up their act at least I hope. But don't blame just China, we are the ones that bought all the crap produced there.
China's pollution is the perfect example of an unregulated enterprise. And you are correct, China went through a similar industrial revolution like we did, and will eventually clean it up. I was just reading that China invested $7.7B Green energy project to power Beijing, with 6GW wind and solar, and 3.4GWh energy storage. They already dominate the Solar panel supply chain. As far as EV adoption, they are growing 46 percent YoY. They have a 37 percent plug-in share, and 25 percent BEV share
Per capita U.S. uses way more energy. Canada is even worse. Translated, we demand a high standard of living and don't care how much energy it takes to maintain it.
The days of cars spewing disgusting exhaust are lonnnnnng over and have been for decades.
likely because the government mandated catalytic converters. of note, in 'big govt' europe they didn't do that until much later for a few reasons:
- it would raise the cost of cars disproportionately affecting poor people
- cars were tiny and gutless back then and a cat would make them more gutless
- euro govts pushed diesels there because of the higher fuel economy despite the horrendous emissions
so yeah, euro cities back then were hell holes in terms of fumes/emissions.
Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
So what you are saying is that without government regulations, everything would be hunky dory? Asbestos and lead paint used in commercial buildings and homes would just go away by itself? Chemical dumping in rivers would just magically disappear? And the pollution I grew up in in 1970's/1980's Los Angeles would have just evaporated without all the emission laws and regulations enacted?
worth noting government wasn't 'not there' when the u.s. had FAR worse pollution. consumer action usually spurs change including govt regs. if there's enough protest about pollution of one kind of another, a politician will eventually take up the cause. there's also straight up boycotts of products and services by consumers. the big driver for change is education and knowledge. but govt can play a useful role in many areas. what i object to is govt enacting what it claims is 'responsible legislation' that either doesn't change anything, or reduces choices or freedoms that don't involve a person putting risks on others. car seat belts and motorcycle helments are good examples. do you become a better driver by using them? no. are you an idiot not to use them? yes, but should the govt mandate them? imo, no. i believe people should be free to be idiots.
but education is key, because when lake erie was literally catching on fire (70s?) it was because of flammable waste being dumped in huge quantities there i believe. of course if the public doesn't know about it, then that's a problem. govt is usually 'late' to these kinds of problems, finding ways to fine companies for wrongdoing even in the past. govt policies are all about incentives to do the 'right' thing, and penalties to be dissuaded from doing the 'wrong' things. of course there's arguments over what's right and wrong but some things are obvious. unfortunately though a lot of things aren't obvious, including to organizations that sometimes don't even realize they're doing the wrong thing.
what i've seen in places with heavy handed government regulation and taxes is starting or growing a company becomes very difficult due to the burdens imposed. many entrepreneurs end up giving up or taking their ideas elsewhere. california is experiencing some of this.
german car makers have been forced to take their manufacturing elsehwere (like south carolina [bmw] and alabama [mercedes] ).
anyway, government isn't always the answer but isn't always the problem either.
Dumas drove Supervan 4.2 around the 3.8-mile (6.2-km) circuit in 1:56.3247 and set new records for an electric car, a commercial vehicle, and a closed-top car. For context, pole position for the 2024 Bathurst 12 Hour was 2:01.9810, set by Sheldon van der Linde in a BMW M4 GT3. Mercedes also brought a demonstrator to Mount Panorama, an unrestricted version of its Mercedes-AMG GT3 race car. Driven by Jules Gounon, this set a best time a few tenths slower than Dumas in the EV, with a lap of 1:56.6054.
