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I bought a Bronco Wildtrak and owned both at once for quite a while so arguably yes. That I sold the Wildtrak and kept the Defender tells you which I felt was the better vehicle but yes they're in the same broad segment. I agree there are sub segments, and I think the Defender is well worth the premium over the Bronco. My pushback is solely on the implied suggestion that low end MB/BMW are in segment above the 3/Y. I personally just don't see that.
I think the Defender is worth the premium too, but its no more worth the premium over a Bronco than a GLC is over a Model Y.
In my head I am screaming, "obviously yes! Is this suppose to be some sort of gotcha?"
When I see an Model 3/Y interior, I see a living room with a TV, a couch and nothing else. The Mercedes interior I see a TV, couch, art pieces on the wall, accent pillows, a plant or 2, a rug. Is the living room with a TV and a couch functional and does all you need a living room to do? Yes...but it sure does look boring to me.
When I see an Model 3/Y interior, I see a living room with a TV, a couch and nothing else. The Mercedes interior I see a TV, couch, art pieces on the wall, accent pillows, a plant or 2, a rug. Is the living room with a TV and a couch functional and does all you need a living room to do? Yes...but it sure does look boring to me.
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minimalist huh?
c-class vehicles don't have:
- ventilated seats standard
- screen for rear occupants
- self driving (supervised) option
- automatically open/close your garage
- massive amount of center storage
- frunk, under floor back storage (massive)
- a million other thoughtful smart features
since i bet most c-class vehicles are sold with mb-tex, then there's no difference there either.
the interior 'details' on the c-class vehicles consists of a lot of silver plastic 'bling' and all kinds of shape that don't mesh and that angled center screen is HORRIBLE.
the y does have stitching, cloth or CF type door insert panels and other details. even the DUAL wireless phone charger area is lined with a soft felt like material.
tons of Y interior pics here...
https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/...erior-gallery/
it's a serene very nice place to be, without 'flashy' busy 'details' for the sake of trying to impress.
i wanted the model X at first because it's even nicer inside, but in the end, i couldn't justify the cost for the differences. and didn't need a vehicle that big.
c-class vehicles don't have:
- ventilated seats standard
- screen for rear occupants
- self driving (supervised) option
- automatically open/close your garage
- massive amount of center storage
- frunk, under floor back storage (massive)
- a million other thoughtful smart features
since i bet most c-class vehicles are sold with mb-tex, then there's no difference there either.
the interior 'details' on the c-class vehicles consists of a lot of silver plastic 'bling' and all kinds of shape that don't mesh and that angled center screen is HORRIBLE.
the y does have stitching, cloth or CF type door insert panels and other details. even the DUAL wireless phone charger area is lined with a soft felt like material.
tons of Y interior pics here...
https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/...erior-gallery/
it's a serene very nice place to be, without 'flashy' busy 'details' for the sake of trying to impress.
i wanted the model X at first because it's even nicer inside, but in the end, i couldn't justify the cost for the differences. and didn't need a vehicle that big.
- HUD
- Apply CarPlay/Android Auto
- More than 2 interior colors/6 trim options
- 3D surround view cameras
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Interesting discussion. I'm personally a fan of the minimalist approach taken by Tesla, although there is no doubt the Mercedes is definitely more premium, it looks cluttered to me, just my opinion. Also the Model Y and 3 I do consider "Premium", but still an appliance. Do they compete in the same market? I have no idea, but definitely not from a performance/tech perspective, Model Y and 3 win hands down. IMO of course. I do respect that Tesla's minimalist approach is not for everyone
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I don't dislike the minimalist look, I just want a more upscale experience. Range Rovers, for instance have a minimalist look that still feels high end and upscale.
If I'm spending $55k then the Model 3 and Model Y are GREAT for that money, if I can and am willing to spend $70k though, the GLC/C Class etc is giving me more of what Im looking for at that price point.
If I'm spending $55k then the Model 3 and Model Y are GREAT for that money, if I can and am willing to spend $70k though, the GLC/C Class etc is giving me more of what Im looking for at that price point.
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Interesting discussion. I'm personally a fan of the minimalist approach taken by Tesla, although there is no doubt the Mercedes is definitely more premium, it looks cluttered to me, just my opinion. Also the Model Y and 3 I do consider "Premium", but still an appliance. Do they compete in the same market? I have no idea, but definitely not from a performance/tech perspective, Model Y and 3 win hands down. IMO of course. I do respect that Tesla's minimalist approach is not for everyone
Interesting discussion. I'm personally a fan of the minimalist approach taken by Tesla, although there is no doubt the Mercedes is definitely more premium, it looks cluttered to me, just my opinion. Also the Model Y and 3 I do consider "Premium", but still an appliance. Do they compete in the same market? I have no idea, but definitely not from a performance/tech perspective, Model Y and 3 win hands down. IMO of course. I do respect that Tesla's minimalist approach is not for everyone
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The other interesting aspect to consider is whether engineering and the traditionally valued "over engineering" are still considered premium or luxury. Not trying to be snarky, legitimate question. Would you say a Tesla is more over engineered than a Mercedes? OR vice versa? Of course the germans have that reputation (though they have lost some in modern day). I understand Teslas have great crash worthiness and scores, but Im not too sure they are over engineered to last.
Now how long will the Tesla last and is it built to last? I don't know. My brother in law has a 2018 Model S with over 100k on it and it's still going strong. Only time will tell, I plan to keep both my Tesla's well over 100k, so lets see. I think they will probably outlast the Mercedes because those smaller turbocharged engines have way too much stress placed on them
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i think they do compete in the same market. They both have their pros and cons if we are comparing builds of each with similar price points. At the price point its hard to beat a 3/Y in tech and performance. Can you get a C class that imo is overall better than a 3? Yes, but that is a top end model that will likely cost 20k more which at that point is unfair to compare.
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i think they do compete in the same market. They both have their pros and cons if we are comparing builds of each with similar price points. At the price point its hard to beat a 3/Y in tech and performance. Can you get a C class that imo is overall better than a 3? Yes, but that is a top end model that will likely cost 20k more which at that point is unfair to compare.
Oh I see what you mean. So the point is for a GLC there are 2 subsets of customers. 1 group that wants a base GLC which will cross shop a Y and another subset that wants a loaded GLC that wouldn't cross shop a Y because it's in a different class at that point.
if you're into 'tiers' and 'status' and 'flash' that mercedes interior is for you.
if you don't care about those things and are into technology and value for money, the tesla interior is for you.
i think the first set of things is largely uninteresting to young people, most of whom can't afford it anyway.
gemini has entered the chat - i wondered how the glc is viewed in germany:
then i wondered what the demographics for the glc buyer are: 
if you don't care about those things and are into technology and value for money, the tesla interior is for you.
i think the first set of things is largely uninteresting to young people, most of whom can't afford it anyway.
gemini has entered the chat - i wondered how the glc is viewed in germany:
Yes, German consumers generally consider the
Mercedes-Benz GLC a luxury vehicle, or at least a premium, upmarket car, although the perception is slightly different than in markets like the US.
Here's a breakdown of the nuances in German consumer perception:
Mercedes-Benz GLC a luxury vehicle, or at least a premium, upmarket car, although the perception is slightly different than in markets like the US.
Here's a breakdown of the nuances in German consumer perception:
- Brand Perception: Mercedes-Benz is an established premium/luxury brand in Germany, synonymous with quality, engineering, and status. Owning a Mercedes is often seen as a symbol of success, even if the base models are more common than in other countries.
- Model Specificity: The perception of "luxury" often depends on the specific model and its options.
- Higher-end models like the S-Class are universally considered true luxury cars.
- Smaller or base-model offerings (like an A-Class with cloth seats and a manual transmission) are seen as more mainstream, or at least a higher-priced alternative to a mass-market brand.
- The GLC sits in the premium SUV class and is considered a luxury SUV that offers a balance of prestige, comfort, technology, and design. Its pricing and features (which typically include high-grade materials and advanced MBUX infotainment systems) align with luxury standards.
- Commonality vs. Exclusivity: While the brand is popular and common, including as company fleet cars, the specific features and high price point of a well-equipped GLC place it firmly in the upper middle-class or luxury segment for most German consumers. The perception is that while many Germans want to afford such a car, they are not accessible to the average person in the same way a Ford or Opel might be.
Mercedes-Benz GLC buyers are
generally affluent, with a median age around 54 and a median income of about $119,500. While traditionally associated with older buyers, the model's luxury, technology, and performance also appeal to younger professionals and millennials, especially those at a peak career stage, and it is a popular choice for families.
Age and lifestyle
generally affluent, with a median age around 54 and a median income of about $119,500. While traditionally associated with older buyers, the model's luxury, technology, and performance also appeal to younger professionals and millennials, especially those at a peak career stage, and it is a popular choice for families.
Age and lifestyle
- Median age: Around 54 years old.
- Peak career stage: Mercedes-Benz targets an affluent market between 35 and 65, who are at the peak of their careers.
- Millennials: The model is popular with millennials, who are drawn to its technology, design, and mild hybrid powertrain.
- Families: The GLC is marketed as a practical luxury option for families, including new moms, who appreciate the spacious interior and safety features.
- Median income: Approximately $119,500, though other estimates suggest around $168,000 is needed for a manageable monthly payment.
- Education: Over 64% of Mercedes-Benz buyers are college-educated.
- Profession: About 63% are in professional or managerial positions.
- Marital status: 81% of Mercedes-Benz buyers are married.
- Gender: 64% of buyers are male.
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if you're into 'tiers' and 'status' and 'flash' that mercedes interior is for you.
if you don't care about those things and are into technology and value for money, the tesla interior is for you.
i think the first set of things is largely uninteresting to young people, most of whom can't afford it anyway.
gemini has entered the chat - i wondered how the glc is viewed in germany:
then i wondered what the demographics for the glc buyer are:
if you don't care about those things and are into technology and value for money, the tesla interior is for you.
i think the first set of things is largely uninteresting to young people, most of whom can't afford it anyway.
gemini has entered the chat - i wondered how the glc is viewed in germany:
then i wondered what the demographics for the glc buyer are:
If you're into boring, bland and drab, then the Tesla interior is for you. See what I mean?
Reminds me of some who classify others with a louder exhaust as wanting attention....no I just want to hear my engine lol.
Are you using median buying age of the GLC to say young people are largely uninterested in "flash", "status" as you phrased it?
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That we are even having this discussion is emblematic of how much BMW and MB cheapened their own brand by focusing more on the mainstream downmarket than the premium market. When I bought my first new MB, nearly 30 years ago, MB was almost universally viewed as a luxury brand. For the purposes of this thread, the GLC is a premium SUV, just like the Model Y. Neither break into the class above, which is entry luxury. One costs more than the other and delivers less. All IMO, of course.
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sounds like you're being stereotypical.
If you're into boring, bland and drab, then the Tesla interior is for you. See what I mean?
Reminds me of some who classify others with a louder exhaust as wanting attention....no I just want to hear my engine lol.
Are you using median buying age of the GLC to say young people are largely uninterested in "flash", "status" as you phrased it?
If you're into boring, bland and drab, then the Tesla interior is for you. See what I mean?
Reminds me of some who classify others with a louder exhaust as wanting attention....no I just want to hear my engine lol.
Are you using median buying age of the GLC to say young people are largely uninterested in "flash", "status" as you phrased it?
That we are even having this discussion is emblematic of how much BMW and MB cheapened their own brand by focusing more on the mainstream downmarket than the premium market. When I bought my first new MB, nearly 30 years ago, MB was almost universally viewed as a luxury brand. For the purposes of this thread, the GLC is a premium SUV, just like the Model Y. Neither break into the class above, which is entry luxury. One costs more than the other and delivers less. All IMO, of course.
I don't at all agree that the GLC does not break into "entry luxury", I think it very clearly does. MB is still clearly viewed as a luxury brand. Again, you just have to look at the two interiors and its really clear. To me, the Model Y "delivers less" because it doesn't deliver that traditional luxury experience that I as a buyer am looking for. Its all what you are looking for and for me, Teslas just don't deliver that at all.
As a comparison here is the upcoming GLC EV interior and a Model Y interior. The difference is on full display here IMO:
