is that each way or round trip?
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Because you can't separate rates for charging vs other electricity to power your home. Like I said, if they raise rates they raise them for all users and for all electricity used, so people's electric bills will skyrocket whether they have an EV or not...do you think people are going to put up with that? No.
Taxes are a different story, but taxes would have to be huge in order to make up for the dramatically lower cost of running an EV vs an ICE car.
Taxes are a different story, but taxes would have to be huge in order to make up for the dramatically lower cost of running an EV vs an ICE car.
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The electric utility doesn't know what your home is using each kwh of electricity for. They just charge you a rate based on time of day per kwh consumed. So if you're charging a car or running an air conditioner or running your lights its all kwhs used and billed per kwh.
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The electric utility doesn't know what your home is using each kwh of electricity for. They just charge you a rate based on time of day per kwh consumed. So if you're charging a car or running an air conditioner or running your lights its all kwhs used and billed per kwh.
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He has a smart meter or he has a system installed that shows him that data. That doesn’t mean the electric utility uses that information to set the rates he is charged.
The only difference in rate cost is for time of day. Not for what the electricity is used for. Think of it this way, why would they care? It’s like saying your water company charges you one rate for water used to wash dishes and one rate used to take a bath. Why?! The same water is getting used regardless.
The only difference is pools. Many people with pools have a second meter installed and get a second utility account for filling their pool so they don’t have to pay for sewage on all of that water, since it doesn’t flow through to the sewer system
The only difference in rate cost is for time of day. Not for what the electricity is used for. Think of it this way, why would they care? It’s like saying your water company charges you one rate for water used to wash dishes and one rate used to take a bath. Why?! The same water is getting used regardless.
The only difference is pools. Many people with pools have a second meter installed and get a second utility account for filling their pool so they don’t have to pay for sewage on all of that water, since it doesn’t flow through to the sewer system
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Lead Lap
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He has a smart meter or he has a system installed that shows him that data. That doesn’t mean the electric utility uses that information to set the rates he is charged.
The only difference in rate cost is for time of day. Not for what the electricity is used for. Think of it this way, why would they care? It’s like saying your water company charges you one rate for water used to wash dishes and one rate used to take a bath. Why?! The same water is getting used regardless.
The only difference is pools. Many people with pools have a second meter installed and get a second utility account for filling their pool so they don’t have to pay for sewage on all of that water, since it doesn’t flow through to the sewer system
The only difference in rate cost is for time of day. Not for what the electricity is used for. Think of it this way, why would they care? It’s like saying your water company charges you one rate for water used to wash dishes and one rate used to take a bath. Why?! The same water is getting used regardless.
The only difference is pools. Many people with pools have a second meter installed and get a second utility account for filling their pool so they don’t have to pay for sewage on all of that water, since it doesn’t flow through to the sewer system
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Most homes don’t have smart meters, but even the ones that do they don’t bill power used at different rates depending on its use. Power used is power used.
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So just to weigh in, in general a kWh is indeed a kWh, but there are some EV plans that require a separate secondary meter be installed solely to track and bill EV consumption. There are also plans where the utility can access charging data directly from the vehicle, and use that data to bill the EV consumption at different rates. Finally there are also plans where the utility can directly control or adjust when the EV charges so it can be told to charge when the load on the grid is low or there is plenty of excess capacity available.
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The electric utility doesn't know what your home is using each kwh of electricity for. They just charge you a rate based on time of day per kwh consumed. So if you're charging a car or running an air conditioner or running your lights its all kwhs used and billed per kwh.
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i think they can do more than that. charging an ev is a GIANT electrical load (7-11kw) compared to EVERYTHING else in the home. so when they see that 'ramp' they likely know it's an ev. for my little discount, i had to tell them i had an ev, what kind, the charger, etc., and commit to charging at off peak hours the majority of the time.
Also a lot of people dont charge at 11kw, usually 3kw-5kw is what people do around here as it is plenty to replenish energy you spent during your average day. Heck most of them keep it at shuko limit of 2.8kw.
Which means around 30%-40% replenishment during average night.
