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I pulled up my own energy usage. Last month I used 2,414 kwh of electricity to power my home. To double my electric bill I would have to use an addition 2,414 kwh of electricity. A Honda Prologue battery pack is 85 kwh. So I would have to charge it from totally dead to 100% 28.5 times in the month. Thats driving 7,500 miles a month or 90,000 miles a year. Assuming similar range per tank and $40 per tank of fuel thats $1,090 a month in fuel vs $470 in electricity,
I pulled up my own energy usage. Last month I used 2,414 kwh of electricity to power my home. To double my electric bill I would have to use an addition 2,414 kwh of electricity. A Honda Prologue battery pack is 85 kwh. So I would have to charge it from totally dead to 100% 28.5 times in the month. So, every day.
Man, my usage is half of yours with charging three EV'S. But I have solar, so that offsets some, but because it's winter, I'm only producing peak maybe 9 kWh
Man, my usage is half of yours with charging three EV'S. But I have solar, so that offsets some, but because it's winter, I'm only producing peak maybe 9 kWh
Your house is probably smaller, thats 4,000 square feel with charging the Pacifica, and a hot tub in the winter, landscape lighting that was also over christmas with all out decorations lit up etc. Plus I live with 2 kids and a wife that wouldn't know how to turn a light off if their life depended on it lol
The previous month was only 1,602 kwh used. So to double that bill we'd only have to charge that Prologue from totally dead to 100% 19 times!
Your post proves it though, you're charging 3 EVs and you're nowhere near my energy usage for my house with one PHEV.
Your house is probably smaller, thats 4,000 square feel with charging the Pacifica, and a hot tub in the winter, landscape lighting that was also over christmas with all out decorations lit up etc. Plus I live with 2 kids and a wife that wouldn't know how to turn a light off if their life depended on it lol
The previous month was only 1,602 kwh used.
Haha there you go! Yeah I'm 1500 SQ ft (6000 ft lot), no pool, no hot tub. Landscape lights are all solar. Are all your lights LED? Those cut my bill down significantly
Haha there you go! Yeah I'm 1500 SQ ft (6000 ft lot), no pool, no hot tub. Landscape lights are all solar. Are all your lights LED? Those cut my bill down significantly
Yep, almost all my lights are LED, I have a couple halogen lights left in pendant lights, and the old landscape lighting in the front of the house is still halogen, the stuff I added in the backyard is LED.
This is with charging three EV's, plus normal daily usage including our electric stove etc. There is almost no solar offset because of short days and lots of cloudy mornings, so that's all from the grid. As you can see, my Natural gas bill is higher than my electricity usage (we have a gas water heater and gas heating system)
This is with charging three EV's, plus normal daily usage including our electric stove etc. There is almost no solar offset because of short days and lots of cloudy mornings, so that's all from the grid. As you can see, my Natural gas bill is higher than my electricity usage (we have a gas water heater and gas heating system)
I forgot to mention, I pay some of the highest electricity rates in the country
EVs are not cheaper to acquire, they are more expensive in general. EVs are going to get cheaper, not more expensive, same as other electronics. TVs, computers, etc have all gotten cheaper, not more expensive.
Cost to run, unless taxes are levied that drive the cost of operating one to what it costs to operate an ICE car that also doesn't make any sense. ICE cars require a lot of maintenance that EVs simply do not require, and if electricity became as expensive as gas the economy would collapse becauee people would have $3,000 a month electric bills to power their homes.
The bottom line is EVs by their nature are just cheaper to operate than a gas car. Not cheaper to acquire but cheaper to operate. Like any other gasoline VS electronic tool. My electric power tools for instance, they cost way more upfront but there is no maintenance at all.
I dont see why electricity suppliers will keep rates the same as they are today when EV marketshare grows. Additional taxes on all electrified vehicles are already being collected/levied in select regions.
Vehicle production costs are coming down I agree with, but those efficiencies are only shared when market dynamics require it.
I dont see why electricity suppliers will keep rates the same as they are today when EV marketshare grows. Additional taxes on all electrified vehicles are already being collected/levied in select regions.
Vehicle production costs are coming down I agree with, but those efficiencies are only shared when market dynamics require it.
Here in California they are definitely raising them, and they do charge an EV tax as part of the DMV registration fees. They have also made solar much harder, with an 85 percent decline in solar installations since 2023. But if you are raising rates for EV'S, you are raising them for everyone, and that comes with a backlash. Our very own governor Gray Davis was recalled in 2003 specifically for an electricity crisis, and a budget crisis as well as high DMV registration fees
I dont see why electricity suppliers will keep rates the same as they are today when EV marketshare grows. Additional taxes on all electrified vehicles are already being collected/levied in select regions.
Because you can't separate rates for charging vs other electricity to power your home. Like I said, if they raise rates they raise them for all users and for all electricity used, so people's electric bills will skyrocket whether they have an EV or not...do you think people are going to put up with that? No.
Taxes are a different story, but taxes would have to be huge in order to make up for the dramatically lower cost of running an EV vs an ICE car.
At the risk of stirring a hornets nest this could all be avoided if we'd build out the grid using modern nuclear plants. Yes they are very expensive up front but last for decades and easily pay for themselves. I loath wind farms they should be banned. Solar is great except if panels litter a landscape they should be limited to roofs on structures as much as possible.
Because it makes no sense. Like I said, its just math. Lots of reasons why his bill may have gone up but its a coincidence. If your friend is charging at the dealer once a week hes driving 200 miles or so a week tops, it is impossible that one vehicle charge a week doubled his electric bill.
If your friend was charging his MYLR from low charge every day then that might make sense. If that were the case though his cost of fuel would have been way more than $185.
Look at what Lex posted above, he's correct. Its just math. Lots of things contribute to fluctuating electric bills. Mine fluctuate a lot from month to month and you can attribute a reason to that but it may or may not be the reason.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
I pulled up my own energy usage. Last month I used 2,414 kwh of electricity to power my home. To double my electric bill I would have to use an addition 2,414 kwh of electricity. A Honda Prologue battery pack is 85 kwh. So I would have to charge it from totally dead to 100% 28.5 times in the month. Thats driving 7,500 miles a month or 90,000 miles a year. Assuming similar range per tank and $40 per tank of fuel thats $1,090 a month in fuel vs $470 in electricity,
Originally Posted by SW17LS
Because you can't separate rates for charging vs other electricity to power your home. Like I said, if they raise rates they raise them for all users and for all electricity used, so people's electric bills will skyrocket whether they have an EV or not...do you think people are going to put up with that? No.
Taxes are a different story, but taxes would have to be huge in order to make up for the dramatically lower cost of running an EV vs an ICE car.
MYLR owner can. He’s shown me what’s using the most electricity in his house. For example he's sent me a screenshot of how much electricity his water heater used for the month. This was with a previous utility company. Last he told me he’s with Tesla electric so I’m not quite sure if they’re capable of breaking what’s using how much energy. I can ask him and find out and maybe get a screenshot. It was pretty neat seeing it. Now with Tesla electric I believe he has a certain rate for charging at a certain period of the day vs a different rate for everything else in his home.
Last edited by BayeauxLex; Jan 25, 2025 at 03:04 PM.
MYLR owner can. He’s shown me what’s using the most electricity in his house. For example he's sent me a screenshot of how much electricity his water heater used for the month. This was with a previous utility company. Last he told me he’s with Tesla electric so I’m not quite sure if they’re capable of breaking what’s using how much energy. I can ask him and find out and maybe get a screenshot. It was pretty neat seeing it. Now with Tesla electric I believe he has a certain rate for charging at a certain period of the day vs a different rate for everything else in his home.
PG&E, my local utility does have a program you can join called Weave Grid that actually monitors how much your cars charge, and sets optimal charging times. You give them direct access to your Tesla, or a compatible charger:
They gave me $75 to join, I can opt out anytime. They send me a weekly report for each Tesla
MYLR owner can. He’s shown me what’s using the most electricity in his house. For example he's sent me a screenshot of how much electricity his water heater used for the month. This was with a previous utility company. Last he told me he’s with Tesla electric so I’m not quite sure if they’re capable of breaking what’s using how much energy. I can ask him and find out and maybe get a screenshot. It was pretty neat seeing it. Now with Tesla electric I believe he has a certain rate for charging at a certain period of the day vs a different rate for everything else in his home.
You misunderstand me. I mean the utility company can’t charge you different electric rates for what the electricity is used for. It’s a per kWh charge.
Yes the Tesla chargers (and other chargers) do keep track of the specific kWh used through the charger but this is FYI and not for the utility provider. There are also numerous other products that measure electric use per circuit in your home. Again that’s all just FYI.
