82 mi. commute... is that each way or round trip?

 

roundtrip.

In addition he was finding any reason to drive his new car. I’ve been guilty of such as well.

 

What do you mean you can't have separate rates for charging vs others electricity to power your home? Is there some law against that in your area?

 

The electric utility doesn't know what your home is using each kwh of electricity for. They just charge you a rate based on time of day per kwh consumed. So if you're charging a car or running an air conditioner or running your lights its all kwhs used and billed per kwh.

 

My friend showed me how much kWh his water heater used.

 

That has to be something third party he or his utility company installed

 

He has a smart meter or he has a system installed that shows him that data. That doesn’t mean the electric utility uses that information to set the rates he is charged.

The only difference in rate cost is for time of day. Not for what the electricity is used for. Think of it this way, why would they care? It’s like saying your water company charges you one rate for water used to wash dishes and one rate used to take a bath. Why?! The same water is getting used regardless.

The only difference is pools. Many people with pools have a second meter installed and get a second utility account for filling their pool so they don’t have to pay for sewage on all of that water, since it doesn’t flow through to the sewer system

 

It is a smart meter for sure I just remember him seeing how much energy his lights used and like us him complaining about his wife and kids leaving lights on in unoccupied rooms.

 

Most homes don’t have smart meters, but even the ones that do they don’t bill power used at different rates depending on its use. Power used is power used.

 

So glad this has turned into a brouhaha over electric meters.

 

We’re discussing electric rates on electricity used to charge EVs. So yeah that belongs in the General EV thread.

 

So just to weigh in, in general a kWh is indeed a kWh, but there are some EV plans that require a separate secondary meter be installed solely to track and bill EV consumption. There are also plans where the utility can access charging data directly from the vehicle, and use that data to bill the EV consumption at different rates. Finally there are also plans where the utility can directly control or adjust when the EV charges so it can be told to charge when the load on the grid is low or there is plenty of excess capacity available.

 

About 80% of the meters out there now are smart meters. And they can tell all kinds of things about what you use and how much you use it. Not sure if anybody is using them to bill differently, but they certainly could at some point. I have one, and the usage they calculated for my car charger was almost exactly what my charger history said.

 

i think they can do more than that. charging an ev is a GIANT electrical load (7-11kw) compared to EVERYTHING else in the home. so when they see that 'ramp' they likely know it's an ev. for my little discount, i had to tell them i had an ev, what kind, the charger, etc., and commit to charging at off peak hours the majority of the time.

 

Here we pay for maximum power, and lets say average house today might get 5.5-7kw max power, you can pay like 200e-300e per kw to raise it up, to the max of installation.
Also a lot of people dont charge at 11kw, usually 3kw-5kw is what people do around here as it is plenty to replenish energy you spent during your average day. Heck most of them keep it at shuko limit of 2.8kw.

Which means around 30%-40% replenishment during average night.