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Old Feb 20, 2024 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Your spinning what I said, I never said anyone would run out and trade their existing cars on a whim. But what I would say is if he drove his F-150 and a Lightning back to back, he would say the Lightning drives way better, or he would be lying. I would bet money on that
Truck owners take things very seriously it's part of their identity that's why F-150 buyers are so loyal. For them to get into an EV instead of gas, dunno feels like many won't do it doesn't matter how good the Lightning is.

Open question how that will change over time.
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Old Feb 20, 2024 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Truck owners take things very seriously it's part of their identity that's why F-150 buyers are so loyal. For them to get into an EV instead of gas, dunno feels like many won't do it doesn't matter how good the Lightning is.

Open question how that will change over time.
Which is perfectly fine. I was a Toyota loyalist for 30 years, wouldn't dream of driving buying anything else. I only left the flock once in 2018 and bought a Civic Si, but sold it a year later and did a thousand hail mary's 🤣 If I ever went back to a gasoline powered car that I was buying, it would only be a Toyota or Lexus. if I was leasing, probably an M3 or M340i

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Old Feb 20, 2024 | 08:56 PM
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I don't know if this was posted yet, but proof starting an electric car company is not an easy task

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Old Feb 20, 2024 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Solar is really not that expensive. Last year my brother in law installed a system for his 6000 sq ft house, and his monthly payment for the system is less than half of what his electricity bill used to be. Over 3 months he generates more electricity than he uses all year, so he effectively has no electricity bill.

If only half the houses in my neighborhood and surrounding areas had solar panels, the extra electricity that we generate in the summer could easily be stored away or used to power another neighborhood. If every house in just my city had solar panels, we could get rid of PG&E and probably have $0 electricity bills.

Of course you need to be in an area where you get at least 3 months of full sun, like Florida, Texas, Arizona, California etc
i question some of the math here.
your brother's electric bill before solar was what? my house isn't 6000 sq. ft but my electric bill, worst case is about $350, and if i got solar, there's no way my loan payment would only be $175.
about half the houses powering another neighborhood... during SUNLIGHT maybe, at night not so much. as for stroring it, that would be STAGGERINGLY expensive, and the reason it's talked about a lot, but barely done at all, except for wasteful boondoggle govt projects.
again, solar only provides power during daylight, so batteries (not feasible at scale in any reasonable cost), some other storage, or simply some other backup power source is needed. my vote: nuclear power.

as for 3 months of full sun, what about the other 9 months?
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Old Feb 20, 2024 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i question some of the math here.
your brother's electric bill before solar was what? my house isn't 6000 sq. ft but my electric bill, worst case is about $350, and if i got solar, there's no way my loan payment would only be $175.
about half the houses powering another neighborhood... during SUNLIGHT maybe, at night not so much. as for stroring it, that would be STAGGERINGLY expensive, and the reason it's talked about a lot, but barely done at all, except for wasteful boondoggle govt projects.
again, solar only provides power during daylight, so batteries (not feasible at scale in any reasonable cost), some other storage, or simply some other backup power source is needed. my vote: nuclear power.

as for 3 months of full sun, what about the other 9 months?
His summer electric bills were about $500 a month, I kid you not. His current system, financed over 20 years is maybe $270 a month. I don't know how many kW's his system is, but in the peak summer he's producing around 60 to 65 kWh per day.

So here's what happens. You produce XXX per day and use XX. What you haven't used becomes a credit. So at night, you are using electricity from the grid, but because you have produced more than you used, they pull from your credits. Those credit continue to build. At the end of the year if you've produced more than you used all year, then they send you a check.

I would have to pull last years bill, but I produced more than I used, and had about $650 in credits, so my yearly "True-up" was a negative balance. This year I'm afraid I'm going to use more than I produce due to having 4 electric cars, but we'll see come June/July.

BTW you still produce in the winter, but at usually half of what you produce in the summer. The summer months are where you produce the majority of your electricity for the year, between May and August I can easily produce 5000 kWh
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Old Feb 20, 2024 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
again, solar only provides power during daylight, so batteries (not feasible at scale in any reasonable cost), some other storage, or simply some other backup power source is needed.
Charge your car during the day as much as possible.
my vote: nuclear power.
Not going to happen. It is nearly the ideal solution but for reasons I can't understand we are not building new nuclear stations at any meaningful scale.
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Old Feb 20, 2024 | 10:10 PM
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Old Feb 20, 2024 | 10:13 PM
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I'm all for nuclear power, but plants are expensive, need to be near large bodies of water, and nobody wants them in their backyards
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Old Feb 20, 2024 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex
More propaganda. Today I was at Tesla Fremont, there were hundreds of people picking up their orders, looking at cars. There were thousands of Tesla's waiting to be loaded on trucks. Doesn't look like a demand problem where I'm standing. Number one and number two best selling cars here doesn't require gas

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I'm all for nuclear power, but plants are expensive, need to be near large bodies of water, and nobody wants them in their backyards
Not the best idea to put them in vulnerable areas. Japan had no choice of course but they also made some odd mistakes like making sure in a flood the emergency systems would fail. That didn't help reputation of nuclear even though coal plants have killed far more people.

Solar is simply getting too cheap to ignore and prices are going to keep falling. I don't see why every new home can't have solar plus storage the system pays for itself long before most people pay off their mortgage.
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More propaganda. Today I was at Tesla Fremont, there were hundreds of people picking up their orders, looking at cars. There were thousands of Tesla's waiting to be loaded on trucks. Doesn't look like a demand problem where I'm standing. Number one and number two best selling cars here doesn't require gas
Expect to see much more of, "EV market is collapsing". Legacy auto loses money hand over fist in EVs they are heavily lobbying to get regulations rolled back which will happen. This is very bullish for Tesla IMO because they are not going to let up.
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Old Feb 20, 2024 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
More propaganda. Today I was at Tesla Fremont, there were hundreds of people picking up their orders, looking at cars. There were thousands of Tesla's waiting to be loaded on trucks. Doesn't look like a demand problem where I'm standing. Number one and number two best selling cars here doesn't require gas

https://explodingtopics.com/blog/ele...ehicles-stats#

Life looks a little different outside of California. 👀
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Old Feb 20, 2024 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex

https://explodingtopics.com/blog/ele...ehicles-stats#

Life looks a little different outside of California. 👀
​​​​​​ Remind me, which state buys the most cars?

Without the California car market, Tesla would have never even gotten off the ground

And while you are at it, you can also thank us for hybrid's. Californians buy the bulk of Toyota/Lexus hybrid and PHEVS.

You're welcome

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Old Feb 20, 2024 | 11:12 PM
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Without Cali we wouldn't have the modern CPU or would have come many years later. Fun fact: the Intel 4004 ran at 740 KHz.

Look forward to hearing how the plug-in hybrid sector is booming what they'll leave out is they are replacing gas only cars.
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Old Feb 21, 2024 | 06:14 AM
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As for demand problems. Vehicle purchase demand is way down in general. I have been shopping for a car and the salespeople I have talked to have said February has been a terrible month, one of the worst months they have had in years. My business partner just bought a Pacifica and they said the same thing. So, I wouldn’t single out lower EV demand as being EV specific.
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Old Feb 21, 2024 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
More propaganda. Today I was at Tesla Fremont, there were hundreds of people picking up their orders, looking at cars. There were thousands of Tesla's waiting to be loaded on trucks. Doesn't look like a demand problem where I'm standing. Number one and number two best selling cars here doesn't require gas
When I went to our local tesla showroom last week, there were still hordes of people picking up their new vehicles. Looked the same as it did when we got ours back in July of 23.

It seems like traditional manufactures are having issues, though. In the past couple weeks, Mazda, Audi and Hyundai have reached out to me to see if I was still in the market.
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