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Oh please, you’re backpedaling. You absolutely meant that the system was smaller because that’s what we were talking about, getting it to fit.
I was responding to his comment, not yours. I will respond to each as I see fit, and the situation requires.
Your implication was clearly that if their AWD layout was the same as Subarus it would be easier to fit.
We were originally discussing the transverse-mounted Camry V6, and whether it could be adapted to AWD or not. It wasn't even about Subarus to start with. I mentioned Subarus because the car-based AWD Toyota systems are a lot more complex in relation.....tey require more hardware, directional-changes, and complexity, at the cost, as Striker points out, of some front overhang. That's not a question of anyone being "right" or "wrong', but stating facts.
Case closed. I'm moving on.
Last edited by mmarshall; Aug 27, 2023 at 06:46 AM.
Anyways, I think this is another example
of how Lexus could have delivered a more compelling product and chose the easy way and the dumbed down product again which is really a shame.
I just couldn't imagine driving an ES with a NA 4 cylinder. I specifically remember driving a 2gen 1995ish ES and the engine was so silky it was ridiculous. Felt like a proper Lexus, that's why those ES300s sold so well because it was by far the best rebadge out of the I30, etc.
Taking a car and turning regular doors out of a '92 Camry and turning it into a frameless window design wasn't cheap I don't think.
I have driven a Camry with that NA 4 cyl, and its awful lol. Does not belong in an ES...
No it does not.....gets horrible MPG as well if you drive it the same way as an LS normally accelerates, only gets me 23 vs 26 in the LS on the same route. I mean sure I'm redline throw first two gears but hey, otherwise it's unbearably slow and it needs that to equal 3200 in the 460
No it does not.....gets horrible MPG as well if you drive it the same way as an LS normally accelerates, only gets me 23 vs 26 in the LS on the same route. I mean sure I'm redline throw first two gears but hey, otherwise it's unbearably slow and it needs that to equal 3200 in the 460
No question about it. Just an engine that doesn’t belong at all.
this isn't about ev vs ice, but i'm tired of reading hyped articles and videos about how tesla specifically is supposedly taking over all sales. they're certainly doing well and growing, but i think their momentum has been helped a LOT by dropping prices some 20% this year. but a little perspective... i looked at q2 sales and GM for examples sells FOUR TIMES as many vehicles as tesla, so the sky is not falling on non-tesla brands. and if you take that top 7 above tesla, that represents (rough eyeballed math could be off) TWENTY TIMES tesla sales.
YOY you can see tesla sales grew 50% for the quarter (impressive), gaining 54K unit sales. but percentages can be deceiving. GM 'only' gained 20% but still gained 112K in unit sales, more than twice the increase that tesla had.
No it does not.....gets horrible MPG as well if you drive it the same way as an LS normally accelerates, only gets me 23 vs 26 in the LS on the same route. I mean sure I'm redline throw first two gears but hey, otherwise it's unbearably slow and it needs that to equal 3200 in the 460
Oh god and to even get what power it does have you get to hear a slow 4pot moan at a high RPM. Pass.
I don't like 2.0ts either but at least they have some grunt after the lag.
You mention LS. An LS (430 at least) doesn't break 2000-2100RPM between shifts and still beats traffic and that's "normal acceleration"; it never has to work even remotely hard. That's also what makes a luxury car a luxury car, torque.
Oh god and to even get what power it does have you get to hear a slow 4pot moan at a high RPM. Pass.
I don't like 2.0ts either but at least they have some grunt after the lag.
You mention LS. An LS (430 at least) doesn't break 2000-2100RPM between shifts and still beats traffic and that's "normal acceleration"; it never has to work even remotely hard. That's also what makes a luxury car a luxury car, torque.
2.0Ts are much better, more TQ once on boost than the 430 has. I like having a noticeable feeling off acceleration when I'm setting off from stack of cars and to separate from them, that's why I usually go to mid 3s with the 460 and around 4k with the 430.
It's probably because I'm used to the Audis now but the LS460 feels very weak and gutless under 4500rpm to me. Most stuff I drive these days is like that, I'm desensitized by multiple 500+ HP cars with forced induction V8s
