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I never had a problem with the tablet design to be honest. I like the screen in both orientations. For me, the 7-series interior is just too busy. There’s a lot of different materials and designs going on all over the place. Very high quality though.
All this to say I will never fault someone for buying a 7-series especially with the discounts available. If the looks aren’t an issue it’s hard to see a downside.
I find the interior depends on the colors a lot. I really liked the interior in that smoke white, and I like it in just black and the amarone which is that deep red.
Originally Posted by Margate330
It is if someone is looking for max bang for the money spent unless it has to be new.
I'm only looking at and talking about new cars here.
Originally Posted by Striker223
You would be correct the 223 is not what the 222, the new 7 is very nice inside but the exterior just kills it for me. The interior materials are great but I don't like the layout/style as much, it's very loud/trendy and lacks class IMO. I drove the V8 version and it's heavy as hell and you can feel it when you push the car, at around 7.5-8/10 the car feels like it grows and becomes hard to really go full out.
The layout is very similar to my S Class, I think thats why I like it. That heavy feeling is what I like, thats why it rides so well. Bear in mind the i7 I drove was 1,000 lbs heavier than the V8 you drove. I'm not going full out nor are most people who buy these cars. Its for comfortable effortless cruising and confidence in all conditions.
The A8s have always had an edgy feel and if ride is your concern it's not for you, they are the athletic choice that is borderline twitchy for the class. I love them for that since they feel like an extension of my intent, if you don't really drive the car or ever "use it to it's ability" then it will just feel unsettled/nervous/edgy etc....that's actually one reason I went with the 12 since it has a bunch of extra stuff/insulation that damps that down while still having the teeth of the S8 with shared suspension/brakes/etc etc.
I don't think thats the case for the D5. They have a great ride and are very relaxed and easygoing. Issue is the layout and design just feels a generation behind now and that you can't get a V8 without getting the S8 now. I loved the V8 D5 I drove before I got the S560, their lease rates were just typical terrible Audi and the exterior was too anonymous for me.
I find the interior depends on the colors a lot. I really liked the interior in that smoke white, and I like it in just black and the amarone which is that deep red.
I'm only looking at and talking about new cars here.
The layout is very similar to my S Class, I think thats why I like it. That heavy feeling is what I like, thats why it rides so well. Bear in mind the i7 I drove was 1,000 lbs heavier than the V8 you drove. I'm not going full out nor are most people who buy these cars. Its for comfortable effortless cruising and confidence in all conditions.
I don't think thats the case for the D5. They have a great ride and are very relaxed and easygoing. Issue is the layout and design just feels a generation behind now and that you can't get a V8 without getting the S8 now. I loved the V8 D5 I drove before I got the S560, their lease rates were just typical terrible Audi and the exterior was too anonymous for me.
I agree on the D5 being much softer outside of the S8 but the S8 is the only one I would consider so I honestly forgot the other versions exist lol! Same thing to a lesser extent with the D4, I didn't like the non-S8 version as much and really wanted the suspension/driveline of the S since it really becomes a two faced car with those systems. The difference between modes is so stark even non-car people easily can tell during simple highway cruising that something changed. Normal spec cars without the sport suspension/diffs/and steering system don't change much
Audi never has good leases and you end up paying 10-20% more for the same tier of car vs others, doesn't really matter to me but I get how annoying it is. Turns a 30k cost to own into something totally impractical unless you are just keeping the car....
Layout is typical Audi but is overly reliant on screens for my taste, it won't age as well but it's a good system and the haptic feedback gives a semblance of being able to interact with the machine better. I firmly dislike having no sensation of touch/texture/wasting a sense by just having a phone like screen, ruins the bond with a car and cheapens the interaction.
As far as weight that's very true, I'm sure the extra 1000 smooths the i7 out a LOT. I like my cars to be able to do both flat out and relaxed equally well so that's why I picked what I did/why I like the Bentley Speed editions so much lol!
It a regal and luxurious look about it, that's for sure.
BMW brand image is a tad notch below MB. Imo
Maybe I'm wrong about that, I don't know.
IMO they are designed with different mindsets. If purely luxury, I agree with you. While bmw has changed a bit, I still think they are more drivers oriented. I read this somewhere and I think it’s spot on.
BMW: Luxurious Sports Cars
MB: Sporty Luxury Cars
IMO they are designed with different mindsets. If purely luxury, I agree with you. While bmw has changed a bit, I still think they are more drivers oriented. I read this somewhere and I think it’s spot on.
BMW: Luxurious Sports Cars
MB: Sporty Luxury Cars
There's no doubt that the i7 has a better quality interior than the S-class but I vastly prefer the MB design. I agree that the i7 drives wonderfully and its quite efficient. Ugly as hell though I must say and its one of the rare times where the looks haven't grown on me.
i agree it ain't pretty. i saw an s-class i see quite often when i take a short walk around the block from my office... so elegant.
I just read something that I found very interesting - on Ferrari's recent earnings call, they mentioned how demand is very high and currently 1/3 of all new orders are being placed by people under age 40. Wonder where all that cash is coming from.
I just read something that I found very interesting - on Ferrari's recent earnings call, they mentioned how demand is very high and currently 1/3 of all new orders are being placed by people under age 40. Wonder where all that cash is coming from.
LOL. There's always money being made somewhere - just crazy to think that the percentage is that high for what's still considered a younger buyer. I know the last few years a lot of people made a TON of money in crypto (hope they sold!), then you have successful start ups, influencer money, and baby boomers transferring wealth to their kids.
i agree it ain't pretty. i saw an s-class i see quite often when i take a short walk around the block from my office... so elegant.
Its beautiful but its very generic and forgettable. It could be any Mercedes, its hard to tell from any distance whether its an S or an E or even a C. The 7 Series is unmistakable, the W222 was more unmistakable than the 223.
When I walk up to my 222 I still go "wow", and I just don't feel that about the 223 and for the massive money one costs compared to other cars that feeling is important. That i7 with EVERY option I would want is $133,000, an S580 with all those same options is $150,000. Don't want to spend $150,000 so in an S I would have to do without features I would like (as I do in my W222), but I need the wow to make up for that.
so today, in less than 10 minutes. Two different grocery stores inside the same parking lot. I saw two Ford Explorers, same colour but different trim levels.
They're second gen. Really the second gen is what we would consider a heavy refresh of the first gen but in the Explorer community the 95-01 is considered second gen. This is the first gen:
Its beautiful but its very generic and forgettable. It could be any Mercedes, its hard to tell from any distance whether its an S or an E or even a C. The 7 Series is unmistakable, the W222 was more unmistakable than the 223.
When I walk up to my 222 I still go "wow", and I just don't feel that about the 223 and for the massive money one costs compared to other cars that feeling is important. That i7 with EVERY option I would want is $133,000, an S580 with all those same options is $150,000. Don't want to spend $150,000 so in an S I would have to do without features I would like (as I do in my W222), but I need the wow to make up for that.
I've been looking at the new gen 5 Series that's coming out later this year and it has some styling cues from the new 7 Series. The biggest difference is the grill which is more traditional BMW than some of the new models. The interior looks very nice. I'm on the fence as to whether or not I could pull the trigger on one but my wife who isn't into cars at all doesn't have any issues with it. Our experience with the current gen 5 Series has been outstanding so the new gen will remain in consideration.
Yeah I think you will need to see the new 5 in person, IMO the 7 looks way better in person so does the refresh X7. One of my agents got a new X7 and it was parked on the street right in front of my office window the other day and admiring it for the couple hours it sat there is what made me go by BMW to drive a refresh X7...which I did then I saw the i7 and drove that too.
