Mercedes-Benz EQE
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I don't disagree. A lot of MB fans agree with you about the brand losing their way a little.
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EDIT: Actually EQB has been approved for U.S. release. I hope they increase the range...
As far as losing their way is concerned, this definitely isn't the MB of yore. I suspect there's going to be some course correction by the time the their 2nd onslaught begins in ~2025. I can applaud a company trying to be bold and do something different but this should've been done better.
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The whole point of this year and next is to have an EV product onslaught to stave off the commentary that legacy makers are just twiddling their thumbs. The EQS and EQE SUVs are next. For other markets by the end of next year Mercedes will appear to have a full lineup of EVs (we are thankfully not getting the EQC, EQB, and EQA).
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The whole point of this year and next is to have an EV product onslaught to stave off the commentary that legacy makers are just twiddling their thumbs. The EQS and EQE SUVs are next. For other markets by the end of next year Mercedes will appear to have a full lineup of EVs (we are thankfully not getting the EQC, EQB, and EQA).
EDIT: Actually EQB has been approved for U.S. release. I hope they increase the range...
As far as losing their way is concerned, this definitely isn't the MB of yore. I suspect there's going to be some course correction by the time the their 2nd onslaught begins in ~2025. I can applaud a company trying to be bold and do something different but this should've been done better.
EDIT: Actually EQB has been approved for U.S. release. I hope they increase the range...
As far as losing their way is concerned, this definitely isn't the MB of yore. I suspect there's going to be some course correction by the time the their 2nd onslaught begins in ~2025. I can applaud a company trying to be bold and do something different but this should've been done better.
reminds me a bit of when lexus launched and mercedes obviously had another oh s*** moment and look at where their ICE range has gone since then.
even convinced a die hard lexus owner SW17LS to switch.
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C&D is estimating that the RWD EQE will have only 300 miles of range under the EPA, and AWD will be even less. No better than an i4 which doesn't even sit on a bespoke EV platform. And for a 90 kWH battery, that efficiency is a total joke. The looks can no longer be excused by the supposed range benefits to which there don't seem to be any.
2023 Mercedes-Benz EQE Shares Much with Its Bigger Brother
Honestly I would rather take the pig-nosed i4 over this bloated Civic. At least the i4 looks decent when you look anywhere else but the front.
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C&D is estimating that the RWD EQE will have only 300 miles of range under the EPA, and AWD will be even less. No better than an i4 which doesn't even sit on a bespoke EV platform. And for a 90 kWH battery, that efficiency is a total joke. The looks can no longer be excused by the supposed range benefits to which there don't seem to be any.
2023 Mercedes-Benz EQE Shares Much with Its Bigger Brother
Honestly I would rather take the pig-nosed i4 over this bloated Civic. At least the i4 looks decent when you look anywhere else but the front.Seriously, other than the jelly bean looks, and porky weight - it's not a bad overall EV package compared to what's available today.
The range is decent - a Taycan (not a direct competitor I know) that costs considerably more is rated much less than 300 miles even though in the real world it's getting 280. The build quality will be great and the interior is awesome.
This is the first grounds up effort at making a bespoke EV by one of the most storied legacy car manufacturers. I personally think it's not bad at all.
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I think you're being a tad harsh 😃.
Seriously, other than the jelly bean looks, and porky weight - it's not a bad overall EV package compared to what's available today.
The range is decent - a Taycan (not a direct competitor I know) that costs considerably more is rated much less than 300 miles even though in the real world it's getting 280. The build quality will be great and the interior is awesome.
This is the first grounds up effort at making a bespoke EV by one of the most storied legacy car manufacturers. I personally think it's not bad at all.
Seriously, other than the jelly bean looks, and porky weight - it's not a bad overall EV package compared to what's available today.
The range is decent - a Taycan (not a direct competitor I know) that costs considerably more is rated much less than 300 miles even though in the real world it's getting 280. The build quality will be great and the interior is awesome.
This is the first grounds up effort at making a bespoke EV by one of the most storied legacy car manufacturers. I personally think it's not bad at all.
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Meanwhile the i4 and EQE are pretty much direct competitors in being executive sedans, and if Mercedes's platform-bespoke attempt and "aerodynamic shape" can't be more efficient or get better range than something BMW threw together on the platform and body shell of an existing ICE vehicle, then that speaks volumes about how meaningless of a design exercise this vehicle is. Might as well have taken an E-Class and shoved some batteries underneath it.
i4 is the past and a hack to get 'something' out there. eqe is the future. I predict the eqe will outsell the i4 by 5 or 10 to 1.
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The EQE has interior legroom that is more akin to the long wheelbase E-class offered outside of the U.S., so the shape does pay off there in comparison to the i4. The EQE is less aerodynamic than the EQS and quite heavy which does bite into efficiency. I'm looking forward to Mercedes moving away from off the shelf parts for its EVs and moving to building their own components starting with the 2024 MMA platform vehicles for that reason. Range will be like the EQS where there's only a nominal difference between RWD and AWD.
As for BMW, CLAR is constantly being updated to be able to flexible as possible with all powertrain configurations. This will continue when the Neue Klasse platform comes out in 2025 which will still be powertrain flexible.
As for BMW, CLAR is constantly being updated to be able to flexible as possible with all powertrain configurations. This will continue when the Neue Klasse platform comes out in 2025 which will still be powertrain flexible.
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The EQE's battery pack is also significantly larger than the i4's (91 vs 84 kWh) and the weight difference is negligible with both being just over 5,000 pounds, and yet the i4 has the exact same range. The i4 isn't an amazingly packaged vehicle, but its efficiency dunks the EQE's.