I have not followed the brand launch, if at all really. But why is it a failure? From what I have seen those who have experienced the dealerships dont have many issues, if they even have to go to the dealership since owners always talk about the delivery service.

Personally, i dont give a damn how a brand is launched as long as the product is legit. The limited Genesis product line to me seems to be competitive with its upcoming vehicles.

Just looking for other perspectives.

 

Did you read the article? Initial signs point to road debris being a potential cause of the fire, that the driver proceeded to hit/drive over a large object in the road rather than try to drive around it. It's great that Hyundai is participating in the investigation just to see if there is something indeed wrong with the vehicle itself.

 

Why spoil a good headline with facts as long as it feeds into a narrative?

 

Hopefully is not a defect

 

Hyundai has recall on some of their engines for fires...so ya never know

 

Yep, here's the piece of debris in question, an air cleaner part from a truck. It got lodged underneath the car and the friction set it off.




https://www.motor1.com/news/427837/2...0-fire-debris/

 

From the “brand” perspective. 5 years in. Non existent sales. No dealers. But yes, so far so good on the customer service side. For the spec-heads, the engines are just as old as Toyota’s older stuff, and the new 3.5tt is max at 380hp where Lexus is at 416 for same size displacement

 

Exactly. Haters gonna hate.

 

When I look at the negativity toward Genesis (here and other places), I often wonder if these are similar feelings/sentiments people on other boards (Audi/MB/BMW) shared about Lexus during their infancy.

Genesis has some nice products and I root for them - if for no other reason, maybe it will make Lexus realize other brands and alternatives are popping up and force them to do something meaningful.

 

Its very similar.

 

Oh okay. I havent paid attention to any of that stuff. If the product is good, reliable, fun, and designed well, i dont care about the perception of the brand (that is clear by what is in my garage). But I get it if others are into that.

As for the engines, from a pure statistical measure, sure, but the class both of these cars are in are not the same. An argument can be made that this Lexus engine is exclusive to something thats 80-100k in cost with only 36 more hp where as end of the year you can find the comparable engine from Genesis in something that costs 40K. Plus Sport models coming 2021, will be over 400hp. We dont know what Lexus is doing with that engine, and if it will ever be in anything else other than the Land Yacht (thats not a slight). THey are instead still using an engine that dates back to 2005 (or canning cars that compete with the G80). Would be nice to more directly compare the engines as I think that Lexus 6 cylinder has potential (it is a great engine), just held back in something so big. It gets overlooked unfortunately.

 

The big difference though was that Lexus came out swinging with the LS. That vehicle was nothing short of complete market disruption. Expecting Genesis or any other luxury brand to replicate that instant success is asking for something almost impossible. The only brand that has had the same disruptive factor was Tesla, but that's a whole other can of worms.

If anything, I would compare Genesis's growth to Audi. At the time of Lexus's launch, Audi was still seen as a joke of a brand thanks to their unintended acceleration issues. Sales were abysmal. They almost left the U.S. altogether. It took them the whole decade of the 90s to somewhat recover from that stigma, and it wasn't until the R8 in the late 2000s that they were seen as an aspirational brand no longer tied to the Volkswagen lineage. They needed almost 20 years to get to where they are today.

Genesis as a brand is technically barely 4 years old- 6 if you count the launch of the '15 Hyundai Genesis that's the current G80. However, the pace at which they're evolving as a brand is unparalleled. The new G80/GV80 are a tier above the already class-competitive G70, and a quantum leap ahead of the outgoing G80/Hyundai Genesis. All this in the span of 6 years. That's shorter than the entire lifespan of the 4GS, Acura RLX, and Infiniti Q70. I don't think consumers are as ignorant of Genesis and its progress as some of us would like to believe. Everyone should be taking this brand very seriously.

 

The negativity in the car community was the same though with Lexus. It was still that way when we got our first Lexus in 1998.

 

I don’t recall negativity when Lexus was introduced. There will always been some negative comments. Lexus truly was never “really” on par with the Germans, lack of V12s and a lack of such a diversity of models as well as the fact that Lexus really is a high end Toyota. But, Lexus was a solid alternative if someone didn’t want a German car. I think Lexus captured more market share at the time than they did the Germans..but the press loved Lexus (because it brought new readers to their publications)

I am fair with Genesis, some things they are doing well at, others like actually “building” dealers has been a disaster...and I would love to see the class leading HP specs with their new engine that they are debuting I will say, it is nice that Genesis still has a V8 in their lineup of sedans. I do like the way they refreshed the G90

 

Lexus was even a joke in late night talk show monologues. Forums didn't exist in 1990, but when they did and I started reading them and posting on them, long about maybe 1996? 1997 something like that, there was absolutely a ton of negativity towards Lexus.

You clearly have an anti Hyundai, Kia, Genesis slant.