I have the same impression as GV80 - the exterior design looks dated already.

 

I agree with both Jill and rosskoss.
I don't think the new G80 will do as well as the old 2014-21 Genesis/G80 relative to its peers in ES, E Class, 5 Series and A6.

Similar to rosskoss, I don't think the CUV/SUV tall wagon GV80 will do well either - relative to RX, GLE, X5 and Q7.
Just because the GV80 is a CUV/SUV tall wagon doesn't automatically guarantee success.
Life is a lot tougher than that.
The GV80 must be a quality product to succeed.

 

If the sole measure of "success" is sales volume, then I would agree that the new G80 has its work cut out for it. The segment continues to shrink and they've started to move the price up. G80 starting price went up more than 10%. So the Genesis is no longer (unless incentives crank up sky high from the beginning) a huge discounted position relative to the rest of the German competitive set. However, if they're able to balance sales volume and measured incentive spending, I think they'll have a chance to set up for long term health of the brand.

Same goes for GV80. I don't think they're gunning for anything close to RX sales volumes. If they can get close to what Volvo XC90/Audi Q7 do, I think that would be pretty successful in their first SUV rodeo.

 

agree lexus was smart to cancel gs unless they were prepared to invest billions to keep up with the german brands.

as far as engines, i can only speak for my g90, but the 3.3TTV6 is VERY smooth and quiet. i don't know about the new 2.5T/3.5TT engines. i do know though that both the new G80 and GV80 have DEFAULT additional amplified engine sound piped into the cabin, which i consider a bad feature maybe appealing to juveniles, but not those actually paying for the car. the extra sound can thankfully be turned off though. maybe motor trend tested in default and didn't like what they heard.

i do agree with you both in expecting the G80 and GV80 to not do that well in the U.S. for a number of reasons.

 

For the manufacturer, the measure for success is consumer acceptance, hence sales volume.
However, for the individual, the measure of success lies not in the sales volume, but whatever best suits our personal needs, wants and tastes.

For example, the E Class is the best RWD-based seller with peak annual sales of 50k for the 1995-02 model with a boxy shape and four round headlamps, then 58k from 2002-09, then 69k from 2009-2016 - but I chose not to purchase another Mercedes, because I realize they don't suit me.

 

We saw the new G80. Wow impressive vehicle in person. There is not much to dislike. I immediately think 5 or 7 Series. Fit and finish was impressive. Again like a new BMW and not like a Lexus when you look interior. Strangest thing, I think old 90s Lexus when viewing the car, but as I look at details, I think high end BMW. I don’t think modern Lexus in any way. For the new G80

 

glad you appreciate it and good observation about older lexus and high end bmw. although sedans are dying off in north america at least, genesis hit it out of the park with this one. it's pretty much everything a lexus GS should be.

when i sat in the new g80 (in the showroom) i really got the really good feels about it. pretty exquisite inside. and i love the exterior proportions. the sloping back to end is a bit 'whale tale' but still great.

 

I've been trying to tell you, for several years, that Genesis does what are arguably the best fit/finish vehicles in the industry today that sell for less than six figures. If it wasn't for the fact that I like the way that Buicks drive (always did), I was finally ready for a small crossover after many years of sedans/coupes (and an Outback), and the fact that Genesis's own GV70 won't be ready for a while yet, I'd probably be in a Genesis product today.

 

Apparently an electric version of the G80 will be shown later this month.

 

4100 miles in with my dad's GV80 and he couldn't be happier. Like you said the fit and finish is fantastic.

Once the GV70 launches and they have two SUVs in the market I think it's really going to help with their market share.

 

I wouldn't say 7 Series, the car isn't nearly that big, but they definitely feel similar to older Lexus models in build and quality I agree

 

way it was assembled. Not size For example, when you look at rear window shelf, materials are so close to high end BMW.

Nice car. It’s definitely smaller in lower than the pics suggest. It’s also a tad smaller than the outgoing model.

 

Yeah it looks very low in person I agree

 

The new one is wider, longer slightly and lower.

 

Yeah. It’s also a tad smaller inside.