2019 Toyota Supra
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I don't consider more low end torque, higher output over a wider power band, and improved fuel economy in a lighter engine as sucking.
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Fuel economy myth is BS-- for a turbo to work it needs boost; the 6.2 Silverado gets not insignificant better gas mileage than the 450hp 3.5 Ecoboost. Also I might add LS500 owners aren't reporting great fuel economy numbers, especially around town. Both of the previous V8s got upper 20s HWY, with some 460 owners reporting 30MPG.
A good size engine won't lack low end torque in the first place, and you won't have to wait for it either.
Yes, turbos suck. I'd rather have a 200hp NA V6 in my E300 than the 2.0L turbo.
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How bout turbo lag, more parts, and way more complexity?
Fuel economy myth is BS-- for a turbo to work it needs boost; the 6.2 Silverado gets not insignificant better gas mileage than the 450hp 3.5 Ecoboost. Also I might add LS500 owners aren't reporting great fuel economy numbers, especially around town. Both of the previous V8s got upper 20s HWY, with some 460 owners reporting 30MPG.
A good size engine won't lack low end torque in the first place, and you won't have to wait for it either.
Yes, turbos suck. I'd rather have a 200hp NA V6 in my E300 than the 2.0L turbo.
Fuel economy myth is BS-- for a turbo to work it needs boost; the 6.2 Silverado gets not insignificant better gas mileage than the 450hp 3.5 Ecoboost. Also I might add LS500 owners aren't reporting great fuel economy numbers, especially around town. Both of the previous V8s got upper 20s HWY, with some 460 owners reporting 30MPG.
A good size engine won't lack low end torque in the first place, and you won't have to wait for it either.
Yes, turbos suck. I'd rather have a 200hp NA V6 in my E300 than the 2.0L turbo.
Not at all cliche.
How bout turbo lag, more parts, and way more complexity?
Fuel economy myth is BS-- for a turbo to work it needs boost; the 6.2 Silverado gets not insignificant better gas mileage than the 450hp 3.5 Ecoboost. Also I might add LS500 owners aren't reporting great fuel economy numbers, especially around town. Both of the previous V8s got upper 20s HWY, with some 460 owners reporting 30MPG.
A good size engine won't lack low end torque in the first place, and you won't have to wait for it either.
Yes, turbos suck. I'd rather have a 200hp NA V6 in my E300 than the 2.0L turbo.
Fuel economy myth is BS-- for a turbo to work it needs boost; the 6.2 Silverado gets not insignificant better gas mileage than the 450hp 3.5 Ecoboost. Also I might add LS500 owners aren't reporting great fuel economy numbers, especially around town. Both of the previous V8s got upper 20s HWY, with some 460 owners reporting 30MPG.
A good size engine won't lack low end torque in the first place, and you won't have to wait for it either.
Yes, turbos suck. I'd rather have a 200hp NA V6 in my E300 than the 2.0L turbo.
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Auto journalists are lame in that they cannot afford these models (I can’t either, how refreshing is that for someone to say that onhere) and they pretend they are so thrilled with the naturally aspirated theme, they just don’t want to lose their invites to press launch tests . This LC could definitely use 550+ horses or even more. How do you get there with no turbo? Lexus should of built a V12 for this level of car, but they did not and that will be its downfall for the LC and the brand at the high end.
Your comments are definitely not wrong, you’re right about displacement, but the 5.0 is a decade old.
PS. I use a spigen magnet on my vent. My husband uses the same. We discovered this amazing way of mounting my phone in our cars because the owner of Lexus in Toronto was driving to an event we were at. We saw him and looked at the car for the first time ever at the lake we were all attending, we asked why he used the spigen vent magnet mount, he told use the navigation in the brand he represents and owns is so difficult to use he just does not bother. So there’s that too.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; Feb 21, 2019 at 06:03 PM.
Not to be the bearer of bad news, but that's what's more than likely to happen.
But we're getting a little off topic. This thread is about the Supra.
- The naming scheme is already in place '500'
- The 5.0 is on the way out
- The LC F spotted with large intercoolers means the TTV8 is near, so doubtful they'd keep two V8s
But we're getting a little off topic. This thread is about the Supra.
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I am not looking to argue. Its cliche in the sense that Lexus is playing the naturally aspirated theme while all of the peers among the high end brand have a turbo V8. The hybrid is lame in that here is no plug in and performance is not great. Both 500 and h are overweight and really could use a new engine. A V6 turbo would not solve it as it already has weight problems.
Auto journalists are lame in that they cannot afford these models (I can’t either, how refreshing is that for someone to say that onhere) and they pretend they are so thrilled with the naturally aspirated theme. This LC could definitely use 550+ horses. Lexus should of built a V12 for this level of car, but they did not and that will be its downfall.
Your comments are definitely not wrong.
PS. I use a spigen magnet on my vent. My husband uses the same. We discovered this amazing way of mounting my phone in our cars because the owner of Lexus in Toronto was driving to an event we were at. We saw him and looked at the car for the first time ever, we asked why he used the spigen vent magnet mount, he told use the navigation in the brand he represents and owns is so difficult to use he just does not bother. So there’s that too.
LOL I don't have the $100k ready for a check to be written either, that's pretty funny actually this whole thing.
And yes the Lexus interface is tragic; ironically the GX which is the oldest has the best stuff to use. We have that same stuff on our '11 IS350 and it's easy to use. We are still on the lookout for a lightly used GX half the reason bc it's so old, tried and true.
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Auto journalists are lame in that they cannot afford these models (I can’t either, how refreshing is that for someone to say that onhere) and they pretend they are so thrilled with the naturally aspirated theme, they just don’t want to lose their invites to press launch tests . This LC could definitely use 550+ horses or even more. How do you get there with no turbo? Lexus should of built a V12 for this level of car, but they did not and that will be its downfall for the LC and the brand at the high end.
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From a marketing standpoint, if you are not going turbo, you will lose. Plain and simple. Too many armchair and paper specs racers and most consumers are uninformed. All they see is 3.0 6cyl twin turbo, 400hp, 0-60mph in 4.0s, 20/30/25 EPA rated, but none of them realizing once you get into boost, those EPA numbers plummet. Everyone expects a free lunch but all they get are table bread and tap water.
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I have driven both turbo and non-turbo vehicles. The most refined powertrain experience I have had, as far as I can remember, was the 5.0 in the G80. So smooth and yet powerful. And the fuel economy was actually about the same as what I get in my IS 300 (though, the G80 was RWD and not AWD). I would happily take the 5.0 over the 3.3T even with a hit to fuel economy. Though I am sure the 3.3T is a great engine, that 5.0's smoothness and sound are awesome.
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As for Toyota not being able to make a new Supra themselves this is ridiculous they have unmatched engineering resources, tech, cash etc. the decision to partner with BMW was strictly financial.