2019 Toyota Supra
I seee a ton of older bimmers on the road every day especially E9x, E46 3series and E39/E60 5series. Not to mention all the older X5s still running strong.
The car that had problems is the Bangle Butt 7series that had lots of new tech and introduced Idrive.
The N63 V8s also have issues. Besides that they are solid cars!
The car that had problems is the Bangle Butt 7series that had lots of new tech and introduced Idrive.
The N63 V8s also have issues. Besides that they are solid cars!
Zero issues with my m235, m2 or x6m. Didn't have any issues with a 2010 335i either, besides the fuel pump recall.
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Funny you say that because one of the main reasons kept me from buying a low mileage '13 E90 M3 sedan (other than RCF turning out to be a much better/modern interpretation of a similar concept), was the dreaded throttle actuators and rod bearings issue. Both repairs were expensive and never know when they would go. They might be some of the more reliable and better quality BMW, but still there are numerous well known issues. I chose to spend the extra $16,000 and get the RCF carbon fiber/TVD. An office colleague of mine used to have a 2008 335 MT and he had to dish out large sums of money for repairs every so often, which also deterred me from getting a BMW.
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Anyway back to Supra.
Great info and pics of new Supra in comparison to Z4 and new 3series.
https://jalopnik.com/what-we-found-w...sup-1831800550
Also looks like the Supra is coming with smaller brakes than Z4.
Great info and pics of new Supra in comparison to Z4 and new 3series.
https://jalopnik.com/what-we-found-w...sup-1831800550
Also looks like the Supra is coming with smaller brakes than Z4.
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Last year for E90 M3 was 2011 - those cars are appreciating now because there were so few made. Most were coupes which were produced until 2013MY.
Rod bearings is more preventive maintenance and is only $2,500.
This is over 50k miles.
Throttle actuators are at over 60k miles and about $2-3k.
If you think thats a lot of $$$ as upkeep for $70-80k car with a high rev V8 then you’re not a car enthusiast and should buy a Prius.
Ppl spend more $$$ on crappy exhaust or stupid CF parts rather doing proper maintenance. Those are the ones have big issues.
Rod bearings is more preventive maintenance and is only $2,500.
This is over 50k miles.
Throttle actuators are at over 60k miles and about $2-3k.
If you think thats a lot of $$$ as upkeep for $70-80k car with a high rev V8 then you’re not a car enthusiast and should buy a Prius.
Ppl spend more $$$ on crappy exhaust or stupid CF parts rather doing proper maintenance. Those are the ones have big issues.
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Of course, I understood when I bought my car that the brakes cost $3100 CAD including labor or the tires cost $1500 CAD to replace etc., but these are normal wear and tear items. I mentioned there are many who have unexpected mechanical issues with their E90/E92 M3. The uncertainty factor of what issue might pop up and when it will, is not my measure for a car I would want to own. Like I said, I oved the car and loved its engine.
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Of course, I understood when I bought my car that the brakes cost $3100 CAD including labor or the tires cost $1500 CAD to replace etc., but these are normal wear and tear items. I mentioned there are many who have unexpected mechanical issues with their E90/E92 M3. The uncertainty factor of what issue might pop up and when it will, is not my measure for a car I would want to own. Like I said, I oved the car and loved its engine.
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Any performance car that has high stressed race engine like in the E9X M3 - it will need more upkeep.
You want to rev it to 8k RPM right? That’s why its so special.
There is no free lunch and no perfect car.
I would love to add E92 M3 with manual to my garage, I regret not ordering 1 new back in 2013. Didn’t want to spend that much for a weekend toy.
You want to rev it to 8k RPM right? That’s why its so special.
There is no free lunch and no perfect car.
I would love to add E92 M3 with manual to my garage, I regret not ordering 1 new back in 2013. Didn’t want to spend that much for a weekend toy.
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Didn't the RCF have a recall on the fuel pumps? Was that expected? How much would that repair cost after warranty? All vehicles have examples of problems. You have to look at real current professional research and testing that is being done. Not "I have a friend"...or I heard on a forum.
I guess, you are trying to oversimplify by singling out that my office colleague had issues with his 08 BMW 335. It is a well known fact that BMWs are notorious for. I know many people including my own family members who own BMWs and I know first hand the issues. I guess, you can downplay it, but it does not change the fact that BMWs are notorious for high component failure rate.
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High pressure fuel pump were covered under recall for all cars at no cost to owners. Out of warranty is not a question as this stage because all of them are under powertrain warranty. That has nothing to do with unexpected repairs.
I guess, you are trying to oversimplify by singling out that my office colleague had issues with his 08 BMW 335. It is a well known fact that BMWs are notorious for. I know many people including my own family members who own BMWs and I know first hand the issues. I guess, you can downplay it, but it does not change the fact that BMWs are notorious for high component failure rate.
I guess, you are trying to oversimplify by singling out that my office colleague had issues with his 08 BMW 335. It is a well known fact that BMWs are notorious for. I know many people including my own family members who own BMWs and I know first hand the issues. I guess, you can downplay it, but it does not change the fact that BMWs are notorious for high component failure rate.
Frog98 - 2018 BMW M550i XDrive, 2018 718 Cayman GTS
05RollaXRS - 2015 Lexus RCF Carbon Package w/TVD
RNM GS3 - 2018 F80 ///M3 CompPack
Och - X6 M
None of you have any issues with your high performance vehicles (BMW, Porsche, Lexus). That should say something.
05RollaXRS - 2015 Lexus RCF Carbon Package w/TVD
RNM GS3 - 2018 F80 ///M3 CompPack
Och - X6 M
None of you have any issues with your high performance vehicles (BMW, Porsche, Lexus). That should say something.
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I'm going to withhold judgement on the new Supra until people get to drive them.
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BMW is a lease car, never own one out of warranty. One of my buddies has a mint '00 328i and he's stopped telling me when it breaks and what he's replacing because he knows I'm just gonna laugh on the inside and ask him when he's junking it. "It's paid for so who cares..." When I did know about it, he was spending at least $3-4000 a year to keep it on the road. It has high miles, so I'm sure the engine or transmission will go soon. And I like BMWs don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't trust one out of warranty. And his is one of the older ones, back when BMWs were in their "good" era.
Newer ones I couldn't even imagine.
Newer ones I couldn't even imagine.
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It is "initial quality" and they have some type of scoring for it. It measures the first 90 days. We are talking about sustained quality throughout the years.
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J D Power Dependability Study is not "initial quality". In the 2018 study, BMW ranked 8th tied with Toyota out of 29 brands. It measures the number of problems per 100 vehicles experienced by owners of 2015 vehicles for the previous 12 months.