2019 Toyota Supra
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There are some plus points in the N54-55->B58 motor. One of the best things they might have done IMHO, is that the B58 runs two water pumps. Main one is mechanical (electrics of the previous N series were terrible) and an aux electrical for what I assume is like a turbo timer time bit (runs after engine shutoff).
Good Stuff in some directions. But I agree that the motors post the N54 are not as robust or overbuilt.
Tuneabilitys seems interesting. Have not kept up with the B58s series platforms, but a quick look on dinan stage 2 Elite with full factory warranty support (as in anything Break DINAN will fix it) is
$1200 Max gains of up to +40 HP and +40 lb-ft TRQ (Crank); up to +35 HP and +35 lb-ft TRQ (Wheel)
$3XX Sport DINANTRONICS Sport Maximum Gains (B58): Up to40 HP, 50 lb-ft of torque.(No powertrain warranty 1 yr only on the Dinan tuner).
Of course nothing is legal in Cali, but thats besides the point. Probably the next tunes probably are going to be JB4s tune, havent seen anything yet.
Good Stuff in some directions. But I agree that the motors post the N54 are not as robust or overbuilt.
Tuneabilitys seems interesting. Have not kept up with the B58s series platforms, but a quick look on dinan stage 2 Elite with full factory warranty support (as in anything Break DINAN will fix it) is
$1200 Max gains of up to +40 HP and +40 lb-ft TRQ (Crank); up to +35 HP and +35 lb-ft TRQ (Wheel)
$3XX Sport DINANTRONICS Sport Maximum Gains (B58): Up to40 HP, 50 lb-ft of torque.(No powertrain warranty 1 yr only on the Dinan tuner).
Of course nothing is legal in Cali, but thats besides the point. Probably the next tunes probably are going to be JB4s tune, havent seen anything yet.
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I’m sorry you are buying these cars for name only.
But there are some of us that look under the skin not just the badge.
Complaining about DCT smoothness or rough suspension on ///M car is silly. Unfortunately consumers like you have helped to make them less focused. Therefore new ones have AWD and Auto tranny with a P button...
You were aware i hope the M2 and M235 used same engine.
If you took it out on some backroads maybe to Bear Mountain if you are around NYC - im sure you will see difference in handling.
I’m sorry you are buying these cars for name only.
But there are some of us that look under the skin not just the badge.
Complaining about DCT smoothness or rough suspension on ///M car is silly. Unfortunately consumers like you have helped to make them less focused. Therefore new ones have AWD and Auto tranny with a P button...
You were aware i hope the M2 and M235 used same engine.
If you took it out on some backroads maybe to Bear Mountain if you are around NYC - im sure you will see difference in handling.
DCT irritates me because it doesn't have a park button, and in many situations its very annoying. I don't mind the rough shifting. However, if the M cars were still only available in manuals, I would be looking elsewhere.
I took PA backroads on several occasions, but still I don't drive anywhere close to the limit, so the difference isn't that great for me. That being said, I don't like AWD, and I dread the day when all M cars are going to be AWD only.
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Not buying it for the name at all - its a combination of things really. To be honest, at thing point for me its at least 75% about the tech - anything other that iDrive is just uncivilized.
DCT irritates me because it doesn't have a park button, and in many situations its very annoying. I don't mind the rough shifting. However, if the M cars were still only available in manuals, I would be looking elsewhere.
I took PA backroads on several occasions, but still I don't drive anywhere close to the limit, so the difference isn't that great for me. That being said, I don't like AWD, and I dread the day when all M cars are going to be AWD only.
DCT irritates me because it doesn't have a park button, and in many situations its very annoying. I don't mind the rough shifting. However, if the M cars were still only available in manuals, I would be looking elsewhere.
I took PA backroads on several occasions, but still I don't drive anywhere close to the limit, so the difference isn't that great for me. That being said, I don't like AWD, and I dread the day when all M cars are going to be AWD only.
When you can have fun revving a motor out and diving into corners and driving out of them, that is pure fun.
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The test drives of the Supras were lukewarm at best by the journalists while M2Comp has received rave reviews.
You Driving it will NOT change engine, brakes, transmission, differential etc. I believe M2 has forged wheels as well. My argument is the parts on the Supra are shared with X5 and new 3series; the main parts on M2 come from other ///M cars.
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"We were fully expecting the Supra to be much like a modern BMW, which is to say plenty capable but a little numb. Instead, there is a smoothness to the Supra that we haven't felt in a BMW in years."
Nah, I am waiting for the Cayman comparisons. Go big or go home. As for the M2 Comp, I think it will do really well in the 2019 MT Best Driver's Car competition. I mean it is a proper M car... The Z4 and Supra will most likely be in the competition too. Maybe MT will do a new $60ishK High-Performance Two-Door Comparison (https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...or-comparison/) and invite the Cayman and M2 Comp with the Z4 and Supra. The aging C7 Corvette and the pony cars are contenders too. A lot of options, no absolute right or wrong here.
Nah, I am waiting for the Cayman comparisons. Go big or go home. As for the M2 Comp, I think it will do really well in the 2019 MT Best Driver's Car competition. I mean it is a proper M car... The Z4 and Supra will most likely be in the competition too. Maybe MT will do a new $60ishK High-Performance Two-Door Comparison (https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...or-comparison/) and invite the Cayman and M2 Comp with the Z4 and Supra. The aging C7 Corvette and the pony cars are contenders too. A lot of options, no absolute right or wrong here.
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I‘m comparing mechanical parts on each.
The test drives of the Supras were lukewarm at best by the journalists while M2Comp has received rave reviews.
You Driving it will NOT change engine, brakes, transmission, differential etc. I believe M2 has forged wheels as well. My argument is the parts on the Supra are shared with X5 and new 3series; the main parts on M2 come from other ///M cars.
Everything you say is accurate. But if I am loyal to Toyota, it simply doesn't matter. I want a Toyota because we all know they are 100% reliable, and you can't even dream of owning a BMW out of warranty (being sarcastic). A rim that is 10" wide is not a joke. A car that still in 2019 comes in a manual, is not a joke.
To illustrate, look at brand new S class and A8's. They have fixed caliper brakes on the front, and floating on the rear. Only they know how much money that saved in production, and they must have numbers on how many people care. Go to the AMG version and suddenly the audience does care.
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I‘m comparing mechanical parts on each.
The test drives of the Supras were lukewarm at best by the journalists while M2Comp has received rave reviews.
You Driving it will NOT change engine, brakes, transmission, differential etc. I believe M2 has forged wheels as well. My argument is the parts on the Supra are shared with X5 and new 3series; the main parts on M2 come from other ///M cars.
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sHHH thats a secret.. Dont let that info out...jk
I wonder if European Delivery would be available.....THAT would be next level. Imagine the victory lap at the Welt in a Supra. But to be honest that would make the supra comeback next level. Drive out of the Welt, enjoy the best driving roads in Europe etc etc.
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I'm surprised those matte-paint jobs actually sell. They look like they have been sitting out in the desert-sun too long. In fact, decades, ago, that's why Clearcoat paint was invented (something you can generally thank Ford for).....to KEEP vehicles from looking like that as they aged LOL.
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I'm surprised those matte-paint jobs actually sell. They look like they have been sitting out in the desert-sun too long. In fact, decades, ago, that's why Clearcoat paint was invented (something you can generally thank Ford for).....to KEEP vehicles from looking like that as they aged LOL.
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