2019 Toyota Supra
07-23-18, 11:20 AM
#107
Pole Position
Highly doubt there will be much aftermarket support for the 50 or so cars Toyota will sell at the rumored $65k retail. How's the aftermarket support for the GT86 and that will still be a higher volume car than the new Supra
07-23-18, 12:23 PM
#108
Pole Position
Aftermarket is very healthy for the BRZ/FRS/GT86 twins actually. You can get CARB approved superchargers for example.
07-24-18, 03:38 AM
#109
50 cars lol................ will be a lot more than that. It's not going to have the typical locked Toyota ECU so tuning OEM ECU will be possible and that opens a lot of options. I had to go full standalone in my MKIV Supra to get full tuning options.
07-24-18, 11:19 AM
#110
Lexus Test Driver
The fact that BMW tuners know this platform is a big plus.
My M3 with a conservative tune can make over 500hp at the wheels.
This Supra will be making crazy #s and aftermarket support will be endless as these tuners already have flash tunes for all the othe BMW turbo engines. I think if priced right it will me the next ‘’it’’ car of the aftermarket.
Stock tire width should tell you what engineers think this car will be putting down.
255fronts / 275rears from factory on such a tiny car. Lets just say there will be a TON of Widebody kits.......
My M3 with a conservative tune can make over 500hp at the wheels.
This Supra will be making crazy #s and aftermarket support will be endless as these tuners already have flash tunes for all the othe BMW turbo engines. I think if priced right it will me the next ‘’it’’ car of the aftermarket.
Stock tire width should tell you what engineers think this car will be putting down.
255fronts / 275rears from factory on such a tiny car. Lets just say there will be a TON of Widebody kits.......
07-24-18, 12:37 PM
#111
^^^Good stuff. As you stated the aftermarket already has tunes for BMW motors which is a head start. I already know shops waiting to buy one to start R&D for downpipe, exhausts, intercooler upgrades etc....will be interesting to see what the limits are for stock components.
For those that care Moto Miwa has an account on FT86 club and has posted thread below and answering questions. He's also on Supraforums but not as active as the FT86 forums it looks like. Little more info and insight into the car.
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129107
For those that care Moto Miwa has an account on FT86 club and has posted thread below and answering questions. He's also on Supraforums but not as active as the FT86 forums it looks like. Little more info and insight into the car.
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129107
07-24-18, 01:44 PM
#112
Pole Position
^^^Good stuff. As you stated the aftermarket already has tunes for BMW motors which is a head start. I already know shops waiting to buy one to start R&D for downpipe, exhausts, intercooler upgrades etc....will be interesting to see what the limits are for stock components.
For those that care Moto Miwa has an account on FT86 club and has posted thread below and answering questions. He's also on Supraforums but not as active as the FT86 forums it looks like. Little more info and insight into the car.
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129107
For those that care Moto Miwa has an account on FT86 club and has posted thread below and answering questions. He's also on Supraforums but not as active as the FT86 forums it looks like. Little more info and insight into the car.
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129107
07-24-18, 02:11 PM
#113
Pole Position
07-24-18, 02:30 PM
#114
I'm not familiar mod costs for the BMW platform since that's the only benchmark for this chassis until real world numbers and pricing get released from Toyota it will be hard to say. I expect the aftermarket to flood to this chassis that alone will keep mod prices somewhat reasonable. If a tune and bolt ons gets it in 500 HP mark I would say that's good. Again not familiar with BMW mods but downpipe, exhaust and tune would yield good results on any boosted car. If Supra is 400 bhp and tune etc...gets it to 500whp that would be great and that won't be anywhere near 20K. Weight of car and type of racing will also be a factor.
07-25-18, 06:57 AM
#115
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I'm not familiar mod costs for the BMW platform since that's the only benchmark for this chassis until real world numbers and pricing get released from Toyota it will be hard to say. I expect the aftermarket to flood to this chassis that alone will keep mod prices somewhat reasonable. If a tune and bolt ons gets it in 500 HP mark I would say that's good. Again not familiar with BMW mods but downpipe, exhaust and tune would yield good results on any boosted car. If Supra is 400 bhp and tune etc...gets it to 500whp that would be great and that won't be anywhere near 20K. Weight of car and type of racing will also be a factor.
07-25-18, 08:20 AM
#116
You guys are so literal. The point I'm trying to make is a $65k sports car shouldnt need additional modifications. Yes people can do as they please. Plus we are talking about BMW gear here so God knows how expensive it will be to replace if something goes wrong. Besides, is modding cars still a thing or as prevalent? A good sports car should be spoken of in its own merit, not what it can be modified into.
07-25-18, 08:44 AM
#117
Pole Position
Most people buy cars on the ability to mod it at least with the circle I'm in. I have friends with 1100 HP+ GTR's that still have stock ECU's that have been flashed. I agree that some people want a $65K car that doesn't need any mods to play with others and that's fine. Even the A90 chief engineer himself acknowledged the fact that the aftermarket will allow owners to modify and make car to their liking and even joked that if anyone plans to 2jz swap the A90 they should buy the 4cyl model to do it. Local shop to me has already registered 2 different website names related to swapping the A90 with a 2jz. The Supra name alone has the aftermarket ready for this platform. I may get one still will keep my MKIV but will wait at least 2 plus years once bugs are worked out and there are various aftermarket options. Friends in my circle plan to do the same even though I know one or two will probably buy the 6cyl as soon as they are available.
07-25-18, 10:33 AM
#119
Lexus Test Driver
Custom tuning on a dyno is a few grand.
This is a dedicated RWD 2seater that will weigh 3100lbs.
Closest competition will be Cayman or 911. If you look it that way $65k is a bargain.
Magic number is in the $50s for this car to find buyers.
For $85k, there is no AMG or M car that really matches up EXCEPT for M2 Competition which is also small 2door with 400hp M engine and only costs $57-58k.
But its about 400lbs heavier as the M4.
AMG cars are all 4,000lbs and AMG-GT is well over $100k.
The aim of this Supra is to be a light sports car that can be modded easily for more power. Thats a unique position in the market as all the other cars besides Porsche are much bigger/heavier.
Last edited by RNM GS3; 07-25-18 at 10:43 AM.
07-25-18, 12:57 PM
#120
Pole Position
A flash tune ranges from $500-1,000 and will give you 100hp or more.....
Custom tuning on a dyno is a few grand.
This is a dedicated RWD 2seater that will weigh 3100lbs.
Closest competition will be Cayman or 911. If you look it that way $65k is a bargain.
Magic number is in the $50s for this car to find buyers.
For $85k, there is no AMG or M car that really matches up EXCEPT for M2 Competition which is also small 2door with 400hp M engine and only costs $57-58k.
But its about 400lbs heavier as the M4.
AMG cars are all 4,000lbs and AMG-GT is well over $100k.
The aim of this Supra is to be a light sports car that can be modded easily for more power. Thats a unique position in the market as all the other cars besides Porsche are much bigger/heavier.