2019 Toyota Supra
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Interesting write up by one of the vendors in the MKIV aftermarket space.
Link: https://www.suprastore.com/newsuwhwe...qZJlv4mHiSS7_k
Link: https://www.suprastore.com/newsuwhwe...qZJlv4mHiSS7_k
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Interesting write up by one of the vendors in the MKIV aftermarket space.
Link: https://www.suprastore.com/newsuwhwe...qZJlv4mHiSS7_k
Link: https://www.suprastore.com/newsuwhwe...qZJlv4mHiSS7_k
Why would a site/company trash such a legendary car they worked with so long just to try to make a newer one seem better?
I give Toyota credit for coming out with this sports car and having 2 sports cars in their lineup but they should not have called this car a Supra if this was the way they were going to do it.
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Easy answer, there is a new crop of customers to serve and they want to be front and center. The old Supra really isn’t providing them with new customers.
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This Supra actually has a bigger problem than the MKIV guys being upset with it. The Premium version is $54K? That's in the 10-15 grand neighborhood of the Z4 M40i at $65K. I like this Supra but it's pricing is what's going to be the issue. The actual driving and testing should give the Supra some positives because it is a coupe vs the Z4 being a convertible.
But if in a future scenerio somehow all bets are off and the Bimmer boys build their version of a coupe... well I dunno.
But if in a future scenerio somehow all bets are off and the Bimmer boys build their version of a coupe... well I dunno.
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I guess I don't understand the almost religious devotion to the Mark 4 Supra. I owned each of the early Supra's and the last was not my favorite. My first was a '79 Celica Supra which was basically a Celica with a longer nose and a 6 cyl engine. It was smooth but not very fast. In 1982 I bought a luxury version of the Supra which is now considered the MKII. It was unique at the time for having the "right stuff". It had dual ohc engine, 4 wheel disc brakes, and 4 wheel IRS, just like a race car. I next had a 1997 Turbo. This car was very luxurious and quiet on the road. It was much faster than expected even though it was heavy. The steel targa roof bolted on and stiffened up the chassis which was very floppy with the roof off. My first impression of the '92 Supra was that it was ugly. I bought one anyway and regretted all the time I had it. It was fast (as 320 hp was back then) but it was ugly, noisy, and rough riding. The worst part for me was that for all the loss of civility, it was a dog on the roadcourse. I was lucky enough to get a good price for it on my next car which was my first Lexus, an SC400.
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Production for first 6months will be limited and dealers are already doing ADMs of $15-20k.
Z4 should be easy to get at invoice shortly after launch.
Having said all that i don’t think these cars will crosshopped unless a Z4 coupe makes a comeback.
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Just as my tastes are different than my brother, so are the Supra v. Z4 buyers'.
This Supra actually has a bigger problem than the MKIV guys being upset with it. The Premium version is $54K? That's in the 10-15 grand neighborhood of the Z4 M40i at $65K. I like this Supra but it's pricing is what's going to be the issue. The actual driving and testing should give the Supra some positives because it is a coupe vs the Z4 being a convertible.
But if in a future scenerio somehow all bets are off and the Bimmer boys build their version of a coupe... well I dunno.
But if in a future scenerio somehow all bets are off and the Bimmer boys build their version of a coupe... well I dunno.
wow,
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Do you see how the statements "the pricing is going to make the vehicle fail" and "you won't be able to get one at MSRP, they will mark them up 15-20k" are contradictions?
If as you say nobody will buy this because the Z4 is "only $10-15,000 more", then dealers certainly won't be able to command an ADM.
Doesn't make any sense.
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Do you see how the statements "the pricing is going to make the vehicle fail" and "you won't be able to get one at MSRP, they will mark them up 15-20k" are contradictions?
If as you say nobody will buy this because the Z4 is "only $10-15,000 more", then dealers certainly won't be able to command an ADM.
Doesn't make any sense.
The difference is way more than $50 a month. Assuming a 60 month finance at 4% interest $10,000 is $180 a month. $15,000 is $276 a month. Sorry, but that's a big difference and its a difference that is going to get peoples attention and impact their decision making. $10-15,000 difference in price on a $50,000 car puts the Z4 in an entirely different league.
If as you say nobody will buy this because the Z4 is "only $10-15,000 more", then dealers certainly won't be able to command an ADM.
Doesn't make any sense.
The difference is way more than $50 a month. Assuming a 60 month finance at 4% interest $10,000 is $180 a month. $15,000 is $276 a month. Sorry, but that's a big difference and its a difference that is going to get peoples attention and impact their decision making. $10-15,000 difference in price on a $50,000 car puts the Z4 in an entirely different league.
It used to be a BMW coupe comes out and it cannot be purchased, it must be ordered, due to demand > supply. But that was not the case starting with the F. Me, I would prefer to order, it's your car, made the way you want, down to basically everything.