They only built 500 LFAs with $400k pricetag. So much for that. When it comes to the rest of their attempts at performance vehicles, they've only built half assed disappointments that can't hold a candle to the competition. They simply do not have the platform to build the Supra, and they are not going to invest in it. I don't have much faith in Toyota.

BMW unreliability is greatly exaggerated, and often it is the price of BMW being the first to adopt newest tech, while Toyota lags a decade behind. My 2012 X5 did have many issues, but I haven't had a single issue with my 2015 m235i, 2018 M2 or 2017 X6M.

Can't blame BMW for doing that. There are plenty of aftermarket tunes for BMW engines, I'm sure there are going to be options for the Supra.

 

Those two have not done well, they sell poorly now and never sold in big numbers. The reviews have been pretty good for them though.

 

I guess to people not like us it won't matter; we are all car guys. But you'd think Toyota would be aware of the people like us.

Sad the car isn't 100% Toyota, but in these days I guess I understand why Toyota won't invest billions for one car.

They could have thrown the new LSs ttV6 in there, at least. I'm sure it would have fit fit, as an I6 takes up much more room.

 

This meme takes the prize

 

Again - the point of the Lexus LFA was that Toyota can build a great car if they tried. It wasn't the point of how well it sold or whatever. It was the fact that the Lexus LFA was a hell of a car.

So they didn't have the platform to build the Supra so they let BMW make it? They could have made it from the ground up or don't make it at all. The nameplate is super important, super important. Learn from Honda's mistake. They made the NSX what it was not suppose to be and it flopped hard. This Supra will probably see the same faith. Look at the forums and maybe auto magazines - majority of them hate this thing.

That's a horrible excuse. You are defending BMW's horrible reliability because they are first to adopt new tech. One can argue the same thing - Toyota delays their tech because they are number 1 in reliability.
Besides - BMW is hardly fast when it comes to new tech. Their entry-level cars 2 series, 3 series and etc.... lack cooled seats. Their cars lack a full digital display till the recently G20 3 Series. Hell - they didn't even get rid of the hand pull e-brake till the G20 as well. Mercedes Benz is fast with tech. BMW is pretty average on speed with tech.

And BMW's reliability is not exaggerated. Its trash reliability. This is why people call BMW cars lease king. You want to lease a BMW because you don't want to own one out of warranty.
Out of all the cars you listed - the oldest one is the 2015 that didn't have an issue. That car is only about 3 years old because we just turned into 2019. Wait until your cars go over 4 years old - it'll have problems.

Yeah. There are plenty of aftermarket tunes for BMW. But how many people want to tune a BMW and face the expensive repairs if crap hits the fan?

You wanna know whats funny? A Mark 4 with 7000 miles was just sold for 121K after the Mark 5 release. If the Mark 5 Supra was hyped and a good car, I bet the Mark 4 wouldn't have sold for over 6 figures. Mark 4 resale value just shot up.

 

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The more I look at it, the more I like it. It's finally growing on me.

 

 

Speed For Sale in Atlanta who also works on MKIV's, R35's etc...has one on order with mods planned. They expect delivery late June and their goal is 600whp, they stated trans is good for at least 730TQ.

 

If you can wrap around that you are actually buying the BMW car with Toyota skin with AAA model badge than the car is great. It looks better than Z4 from the outside, inside is different story as Z4 has new parts and bits. But if you are willing to deceive yourself that Toyota has worked some kind of magic on BMW platform, engine or transmission to deliver ultimate package that's where you will be very let down. Besides gearing ratio and suspension tuning in some realistic realm of chassis capability there is not whole going on as Toyota doesn't have access to proprietary stuff.

 

But they don't try, and the rest of your rant is rather biased.

Basically there are two types of people in this world - those who will keep hating and moaning on the internet, and those who will buy and enjoy the new Supra.

 

And what if a Mark V fully done by Toyota didn't turn out to be as legendary as the Mark IV? The way I see it, Toyota knows how important the Supra name is. They also know it's a project that could have put them in the red like the stellar LFA. The route they choose is actually kind of sneaky. Make BMW do ALL the work, reap any benefits.

 

 

 

It is funny you are claiming someone else to be "hating and moaning" when being the pot, you should meet the kettle. You clearly are a hater to claim "half assed" because you love your BMWs. You might be madly in love with your M2, but that does not make it a true argument for what Lexus builds for F performance. Neither the ISF was a half assed attempt nor is the RCF. If that is what you are trying to claim, it is not based on facts. How you downplay the BMW being notorious for having major issues while trashing Lexus for their performance cars.