For sure, no reason to close the tread...

 

Back to the beginning of the thread.

I was glad that Templin for once said something controversial

Lexus is stuck with the ES because it is a high volume model that appeals to/meets the needs of a large proportion of their customer base

The problem is the GS, a real RWD based luxury car is poorly positioned based on price and performance against the ES

I believe the GS will continue to have lagging sales and these may get worse once the Q50 hits the market followed by this CTS (which may also jeopardize the GS F if the GS F only has 450 hp from a mildly revised IS F motor)

 

No it was not a "bad example". They will share the segment and buyers, one is FWD, one is RWD and they have different sales goals.

It just sounds like silly talk to bash the ES, why the hell would Lexus or any company get rid of a best selling vehicle for 25 years is beyond common logic. To see people even rationalize it should be gone is funny. It is obvious the ES does well and will continue to do so even if all you bad asses on the internet like dissing it.

You always get some good comments, like the GS hybrid isn't sold here.

Odd, I know this is hard to believe but the GS only fell 800 or so units shy of its 24k sales goal.

Let me repeat

The GS, in America, was only 800 units or so shy of its sales go.

Let me try this againfor those that assume the GS is selling poor as their brains can only see the months where the GS sells poor and not when it sold well

The GS was only around 800 units or so shy of its first year 24,000 sales goal.

Oh and guess what, in Japan the GS was the best selling Lexus in 2012.


Yes I know, the internet experts who bash the GS based on 1, 2 months of sales who likely never even drove the bloody car should be listened to. Not the facts, or gasp, owners of the car.

http://lexusenthusiast.com/2013/02/1...ales-in-japan/

Please all of you continue how the GS is a failure and the ES needs to also be canceled.

 

Now i must beg the question:

Why not offer a smaller engine GS in ADDITION to the ES. Cannibalization of sales happens everywhere. But in some cases, the effect is so muted that overall brand sales will increase.

I see that as a good move, but Lexus, so far, is refusing to offer dinky engines in anything other than the CT.

 

yeah, its discussion about made up rumor that people think is real. We might as well discuss if Lexus is going to be cancelled.

ES will not be cancelled tomorrow, next year or in 5 years, it is best selling car Lexus has. In fact, Lexus sales being highest in past 5 years, nothing is getting cancelled but new models are coming up.

 

Rest of the world has GS250 and GS300h is coming as well... why not in the Usa? Probably because Lexus wants it this way... they likely make a lot of money on GS and prefer to chase bottom market with ES.

 

Exactly. Canceling the best selling Asian luxury brand sedan, to please people on the internet who are not gonna buy an ES or GS anyway .Yeah that a solid decision

It makes absolutely no sense at all and should have been a good chuckle more than anything.

 

Agreed. I don't think that is going to happen either.


Depends on where you are. In may places, that is probably true, but AWD RX models are extremely popular in the Snow-Belt Great-Lakes, Northeast and Rocky-Mountain states (though in the Rockies, pickup trucks generally rule)

 

LOL! Why not cancel Lexus all together... makes sense since they got Scion and Toyota anyways right....

 

LOL lets go for it all... CANCEL TOYOTA!!! Cause Lexus is just Toyota anyway right.

 

I believe he was referring to the fact that the ES is the best selling Car/Sedan in the Lexus lineup.

RX is still the overall vehicle volume leader for Lexus. Although with super strong ES sales so far in 2013, it's pretty close through the first 2 months.

 

Worldwide it is the best selling car, RX being best selling SUV :-).

 

poll added. and i voted no.

 

I did some scouring of online blogs and someone was ranting about the same thing we are. He reached out to Todd Lassa from Motor Trend and got this quote:

 

The ES will not be cancelled any time soon. Re-named, maybe, but not cancelled. You see, Lexus understands that if they were to cancel it, potential buyers may not flock to the Avalon. No sir, Lexus/Toyota is fully aware of the excellent Azera and Lacross and would not be willing to take that gamble. Lexus, beyond a shadow of a doubt, needs the ES.