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From: Alberta
-7°F? Lulz that is barely dipping your toe in cold.
So charging infrastructure in this part of the world is straight up terrible. I still see Tesla's everywhere, there is maybe 1 Lightning in the city I see the same one all the time.
I really like what Hyundai is doing but wish they would increase production by many factors.
So charging infrastructure in this part of the world is straight up terrible. I still see Tesla's everywhere, there is maybe 1 Lightning in the city I see the same one all the time.
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From: fl
Bro, not everywhere is like California with the infrastructure. WADR, you don't seem to get that. There are a million Teslas around here but 10 total Superchargers in a city of close to a million. 8 at Walmart and 2 at the dealer which the public doesn't have access to. And this is a pretty progressive, liberal city.
Only 15% of all chargers nationwide are able to charge that quickly out of all of them, and I'm sure most are in California, so the inconvenience is minimal.
Before this family emergency came up I felt the same way (own both!) but this really brought it into perspective. How many friggin gas stations are there from here to Florida? I/we were so flustered that even stopping to fill up made us anxious. I couldn't even imagine having to locate and wait for charging.
Nobody died but imagine if you got the call "get here, they're about to go.." that people usually get and you live several hundred miles away. People gonna hop in their EVs or ICE cars? Let's be honest here.
Most of us all have multiple cars, just own both! Problem solved!!!
Only 15% of all chargers nationwide are able to charge that quickly out of all of them, and I'm sure most are in California, so the inconvenience is minimal.
Before this family emergency came up I felt the same way (own both!) but this really brought it into perspective. How many friggin gas stations are there from here to Florida? I/we were so flustered that even stopping to fill up made us anxious. I couldn't even imagine having to locate and wait for charging.
Nobody died but imagine if you got the call "get here, they're about to go.." that people usually get and you live several hundred miles away. People gonna hop in their EVs or ICE cars? Let's be honest here.
Most of us all have multiple cars, just own both! Problem solved!!!
And as someone who also owns an ICE SUV, if I lived in TN and had a family emergency in FL, I'm flying. If you were in such a hurry to get to the destination that filling up made you nervous for time, I'm not sure I understand the decision to drive.
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From: California
-7°F? Lulz that is barely dipping your toe in cold.
So charging infrastructure in this part of the world is straight up terrible. I still see Tesla's everywhere, there is maybe 1 Lightning in the city I see the same one all the time.
I really like what Hyundai is doing but wish they would increase production by many factors.
So charging infrastructure in this part of the world is straight up terrible. I still see Tesla's everywhere, there is maybe 1 Lightning in the city I see the same one all the time.
I really like what Hyundai is doing but wish they would increase production by many factors.
Hyundai is one of the few legacy car companies aggressively moving to EV's and so far haven't pulled back investments, and actually increased them to $28 Billion
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From: Knoxville, TN
The number of Tesla's you see driving around your city are not indicative of the number of folks who need to use a super charger (you said you see a ton of Teslas and there are only 10 super chargers). 99% of them likely live in/around your town and are not driving more than 250 miles/day around town so they just drive the car and plug in when the
I could walk out the door right now and be in Tampa by 4AM, before any flights even go out tomorrow morning. That's all I'm saying. So, I figured keep a nice cushy ICE car for long trips or situations like that and enjoy the benefits of EVs running around town.
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From: Alberta
Hyundai is one of the few legacy car companies aggressively moving to EV's and so far haven't pulled back investments, and actually increased them to $28 Billion
In the category of not so smart GM has ended production of the Bolt. In 2023 General Motors missed their EV projections by half producing 75,000 EVs almost all of them being the Bolt.
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PHEV is good for some use cases, you have to take long trips frequently otherwise I don't see how it makes any sense. You'll notice I have never tried to tell anyone they made the wrong choice of vehicle, I'm saying for ME it is not the right choice.
On cold weather, see for yourself
https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/ab-52_metric_e.html
This will separate the good from the bad MANY cars will die on the road, or not start at all. -40 is the tipping point where gasoline no longer vaporizes properly chances of your car starting is about zero unless you have a block heater. I don't expect my Model Y to have any issues.
On cold weather, see for yourself
https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/ab-52_metric_e.html
This will separate the good from the bad MANY cars will die on the road, or not start at all. -40 is the tipping point where gasoline no longer vaporizes properly chances of your car starting is about zero unless you have a block heater. I don't expect my Model Y to have any issues.
Yeah I see several diesel trucks who plug their trucks in when it’s near freezing outside. I’ve come across videos on YouTube of people trying to start their diesels in frigid cold🥶
As I’ve stated before finding this sub forum the only EV I’ve heard of or paid anything attention to was Tesla. This forum has opened my eyes to other EVs. Quick google search there’s onIy 4 EV charging stations in my city. 1 of them is a Tesla supercharger station(8 stalls). 2 other ev chargers are at a Nissan dealership (which I’ve used several times for free) and the other one is at the Cadillac dealership (different type of plug and isn’t free). There’s one at Toyota dealership but it doesn’t work.
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I'm aware of that. I was just pointing out that there aren't ubiquitous places with 100 superchargers around here, unlike California.
I could walk out the door right now and be in Tampa by 4AM, before any flights even go out tomorrow morning. That's all I'm saying. So, I figured keep a nice cushy ICE car for long trips or situations like that and enjoy the benefits of EVs running around town.
I could walk out the door right now and be in Tampa by 4AM, before any flights even go out tomorrow morning. That's all I'm saying. So, I figured keep a nice cushy ICE car for long trips or situations like that and enjoy the benefits of EVs running around town.
Depending on how much running around I have to do in town determines if I drive my PHEV or not because I prefer to drive it in EV mode. If I have a bunch of running around to do and not going to be at one place long enough I can throw it on the charger for little extra juice, I will drive a gas only vehicle. If I’m at my daughter’s ballet practice, I will go sit on a nearby charger and wait until she’s finished.
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🤝Im not sure if it was you or someone else but I remember seeing someone post “PHEV are the worst of both worlds” but in my case it’s the total opposite.
Yeah I see several diesel trucks who plug their trucks in when it’s near freezing outside. I’ve come across videos on YouTube of people trying to start their diesels in frigid cold🥶
As I’ve stated before finding this sub forum the only EV I’ve heard of or paid anything attention to was Tesla. This forum has opened my eyes to other EVs. Quick google search there’s onIy 4 EV charging stations in my city. 1 of them is a Tesla supercharger station(8 stalls). 2 other ev chargers are at a Nissan dealership (which I’ve used several times for free) and the other one is at the Cadillac dealership (different type of plug and isn’t free). There’s one at Toyota dealership but it doesn’t work.
Yeah I see several diesel trucks who plug their trucks in when it’s near freezing outside. I’ve come across videos on YouTube of people trying to start their diesels in frigid cold🥶
As I’ve stated before finding this sub forum the only EV I’ve heard of or paid anything attention to was Tesla. This forum has opened my eyes to other EVs. Quick google search there’s onIy 4 EV charging stations in my city. 1 of them is a Tesla supercharger station(8 stalls). 2 other ev chargers are at a Nissan dealership (which I’ve used several times for free) and the other one is at the Cadillac dealership (different type of plug and isn’t free). There’s one at Toyota dealership but it doesn’t work.
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From: Alberta
I won't tell you to sell it and buy something else.
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From: FL
The number of Tesla's you see driving around your city are not indicative of the number of folks who need to use a super charger (you said you see a ton of Teslas and there are only 10 super chargers). 99% of them likely live in/around your town and are not driving more than 250 miles/day around town so they just drive the car and plug in when they get home. The superchargers are placed there to get people on their way from Knoxville to Nashville, Chattanooga, etc.
I see lots of Teslas but never seen a charging station.
Just assumed we had plenty because of all the EV's I see.
But I think you are correct, the charging stations are for people living out of town because most people will charge at home.
Duh! Haha.
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ok, so you are getting a tesla 12 stall SC at your local Target.
As mentioned by people here, it is used when you need quick top up, not for regular charging. Your home charging is going to be 3-4x cheaper and fast enough for overnight charge.
As mentioned by people here, it is used when you need quick top up, not for regular charging. Your home charging is going to be 3-4x cheaper and fast enough for overnight charge.
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I said that because I believe it. Heavy vehicle, still FWD based still have a gas engine. 95% of the time (based on the average driver) you lug around a gas engine that does nothing. Bad use of resources. But if you love the car then I won't tell you to sell it and buy something else.
I won't tell you to sell it and buy something else.Look at it like this, you leave home with your cell phone, do you carry your charger in your pocket or a carry a battery pack? The gas engine is like having a battery pack for when that cell phone battery gets low…when I run out of EV range, switch over to gas.
I get it, I’m a wannabe BEV🫣🤣 I wont rule out a BEV as my next daily. 😁
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From: California
My PHEV weigh less than MYLR🧐
Look at it like this, you leave home with your cell phone, do you carry your charger in your pocket or a carry a battery pack? The gas engine is like having a battery pack for when that cell phone battery gets low…when I run out of EV range, switch over to gas.
I get it, I’m a wannabe BEV🫣🤣 I wont rule out a BEV as my next daily. 😁
Look at it like this, you leave home with your cell phone, do you carry your charger in your pocket or a carry a battery pack? The gas engine is like having a battery pack for when that cell phone battery gets low…when I run out of EV range, switch over to gas.
I get it, I’m a wannabe BEV🫣🤣 I wont rule out a BEV as my next daily. 😁
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