General EV Conversation
In light of the above posts it's worth mentioning that the 80% threshold is the point at which most EV's will dramatically slow DC fast charging to protect the battery. You can of course continue to DCFC after 80%, but the charge rate will drop significantly. Generally speaking, if you're on a trip you're better off leveraging fast charging up to 80% or so, even if it means an extra stop, than trying to use a fast charger to fully charge to 100% or close to 100% during a stop. In other words, it will take you longer to DCFC from 80% to 100% than it does to go from, say, 15% to 80% and on longer road trips you're generally better off planning your stops so that you charge up to 80% or so.
In light of the above posts it's worth mentioning that the 80% threshold is the point at which most EV's will dramatically slow DC fast charging to protect the battery. You can of course continue to DCFC after 80%, but the charge rate will drop significantly. Generally speaking, if you're on a trip you're better off leveraging fast charging up to 80% or so, even if it means an extra stop, than trying to use a fast charger to fully charge to 100% or close to 100% during a stop. In other words, it will take you longer to DCFC from 80% to 100% than it does to go from, say, 15% to 80% and on longer road trips you're generally better off planning your stops so that you charge up to 80% or so.
He has a gas car that will make that full roadtrip on 1 tank of gas but choses to drive the Tesla instead 
I would say I make that same 200-210 one way trip more often then I do the 467 mile roundtrip but I can do that 210+ miles on 1 tank of gas in our LX or Tundra while trailering a car.
With that being said on that 467 mile roundtrip the LX and older Tundra would be the last vehicle I choose to drive unless I have to tow or I’m hauling 5 or more people. For example I made that drive recently with just my son so I drove the Prius.
Hopefully the battery range and charging infrastructure continues to improve over the years but gas option just seem like a better option on road trips thus far. In the city/ around town, EV hands down.

I would say I make that same 200-210 one way trip more often then I do the 467 mile roundtrip but I can do that 210+ miles on 1 tank of gas in our LX or Tundra while trailering a car.
With that being said on that 467 mile roundtrip the LX and older Tundra would be the last vehicle I choose to drive unless I have to tow or I’m hauling 5 or more people. For example I made that drive recently with just my son so I drove the Prius.
Hopefully the battery range and charging infrastructure continues to improve over the years but gas option just seem like a better option on road trips thus far. In the city/ around town, EV hands down.
Yeah, maybe when I was in my 20's but at my age I stop every 100 miles to stretch my legs.
I'm not in a rush anymore. Lol
It is something i often think about though - for instance, you do spend significant amount of gas through the year, how many times per year do you go to gas station? And how many times per year do you go to over 300 mile road trips?
I also hate it, despite loving my EV, that i have to stop every 200, 300 miles, depending on things, even if my wife has to go to bathroom every 2hrs. In reality when i put down the numbers - i charge on highway around 10 times per year vs previous 40 gas station visits throughout the year (mostly city for gas vs mostly hw for EV), i still save time and inconvenience.
Unfortunately, it is very different road tripping experience, and might not be for everyone. I suspect we will all just get used to it to stop for every 3hrs and charge for 30m, and it will become more convenient for everyone... or some people who go on trips a lot, might actually keep driving petrol/diesel for next 20 years.
if you cant stop for 30m at least every 3hrs, no EV will ever satisfy you.
It is something i often think about though - for instance, you do spend significant amount of gas through the year, how many times per year do you go to gas station? And how many times per year do you go to over 300 mile road trips?
I also hate it, despite loving my EV, that i have to stop every 200, 300 miles, depending on things, even if my wife has to go to bathroom every 2hrs. In reality when i put down the numbers - i charge on highway around 10 times per year vs previous 40 gas station visits throughout the year (mostly city for gas vs mostly hw for EV), i still save time and inconvenience.
Unfortunately, it is very different road tripping experience, and might not be for everyone. I suspect we will all just get used to it to stop for every 3hrs and charge for 30m, and it will become more convenient for everyone... or some people who go on trips a lot, might actually keep driving petrol/diesel for next 20 years.
It is something i often think about though - for instance, you do spend significant amount of gas through the year, how many times per year do you go to gas station? And how many times per year do you go to over 300 mile road trips?
I also hate it, despite loving my EV, that i have to stop every 200, 300 miles, depending on things, even if my wife has to go to bathroom every 2hrs. In reality when i put down the numbers - i charge on highway around 10 times per year vs previous 40 gas station visits throughout the year (mostly city for gas vs mostly hw for EV), i still save time and inconvenience.
Unfortunately, it is very different road tripping experience, and might not be for everyone. I suspect we will all just get used to it to stop for every 3hrs and charge for 30m, and it will become more convenient for everyone... or some people who go on trips a lot, might actually keep driving petrol/diesel for next 20 years.
Easier to use than a gas pump. Just pull in, plug into the car and it automatically detects your car and begins charging. 10 or 15 minutes later, you are on your way. I know I keep repeating this, but I spend less than 30 minutes the whole trip to Southern California charging. Plus I save a lot of money over gas. My last trip where I drove over a 1200 miles I spent around $120, my gas car I would have spent double that
I don't care about my gas bill. We can afford it.
Also, EVs present a challenge when traveling if you don't live in California. I definitely don't get out of my car for 30 minutes every 300 miles (you didn't say that-someone else did) even after multiple back surgeries.
Why not just own both??? If I ever bought an EV I'd hold on to an ICE... Solved!!
Also, EVs present a challenge when traveling if you don't live in California. I definitely don't get out of my car for 30 minutes every 300 miles (you didn't say that-someone else did) even after multiple back surgeries.
Why not just own both??? If I ever bought an EV I'd hold on to an ICE... Solved!!
I don't care about my gas bill. We can afford it.
Also, EVs present a challenge when traveling if you don't live in California. I definitely don't get out of my car for 30 minutes every 300 miles (you didn't say that-someone else did) even after multiple back surgeries.
Why not just own both??? If I ever bought an EV I'd hold on to an ICE... Solved!!
Also, EVs present a challenge when traveling if you don't live in California. I definitely don't get out of my car for 30 minutes every 300 miles (you didn't say that-someone else did) even after multiple back surgeries.
Why not just own both??? If I ever bought an EV I'd hold on to an ICE... Solved!!
There's nothing written in stone that you can't own both. That's an individual choice. I still have my Sienna, although I barely use it. Many people I know own both
Well we can all afford the gas, that's not an issue for us either.
So here's another way to look at it.
Let's say your EV saves $3500 per year on gas. And let's say you put that $3500 per year in Tesla stock for the past five years.
You'd have the best part of $75,000 today. Couple of years back when TSLA was at its peak and your return at that point would have been well over $100,000.
So here's another way to look at it.
Let's say your EV saves $3500 per year on gas. And let's say you put that $3500 per year in Tesla stock for the past five years.
You'd have the best part of $75,000 today. Couple of years back when TSLA was at its peak and your return at that point would have been well over $100,000.
Between San Francisco and Los Angeles, there are so many Tesla chargers that travelling in a Tesla is extremely easy, and stress free. IMHO of course. Here is an example of two supercharger stops on the way
Easier to use than a gas pump. Just pull in, plug into the car and it automatically detects your car and begins charging. 10 or 15 minutes later, you are on your way. I know I keep repeating this, but I spend less than 30 minutes the whole trip to Southern California charging. Plus I save a lot of money over gas. My last trip where I drove over a 1200 miles I spent around $120, my gas car I would have spent double that
Easier to use than a gas pump. Just pull in, plug into the car and it automatically detects your car and begins charging. 10 or 15 minutes later, you are on your way. I know I keep repeating this, but I spend less than 30 minutes the whole trip to Southern California charging. Plus I save a lot of money over gas. My last trip where I drove over a 1200 miles I spent around $120, my gas car I would have spent double that
I'm tired about hearing how great California is for owning an EV. I'm happy for you but not for all the other issues I read about of living there. There are 49 other States. I have to wonder how long it will take the rest of the country to see these Tesla supercharging stations. I have not seen one here on the east coast. I have to say I am seeing more Tesla's on the road lately here in Fl. however. So maybe in a few years or more, we will see. I'm holding out for hydrogen though.

Well we can all afford the gas, that's not an issue for us either.
So here's another way to look at it.
Let's say your EV saves $3500 per year on gas. And let's say you put that $3500 per year in Tesla stock for the past five years.
You'd have the best part of $75,000 today. Couple of years back when TSLA was at its peak and your return at that point would have been well over $100,000.
So here's another way to look at it.
Let's say your EV saves $3500 per year on gas. And let's say you put that $3500 per year in Tesla stock for the past five years.
You'd have the best part of $75,000 today. Couple of years back when TSLA was at its peak and your return at that point would have been well over $100,000.













