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Lexus Champion
Joined: Oct 2019
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From: California
Well we can all afford the gas, that's not an issue for us either.
So here's another way to look at it.
Let's say your EV saves $3500 per year on gas. And let's say you put that $3500 per year in Tesla stock for the past five years.
You'd have the best part of $75,000 today. Couple of years back when TSLA was at its peak and your return at that point would have been well over $100,000.
So here's another way to look at it.
Let's say your EV saves $3500 per year on gas. And let's say you put that $3500 per year in Tesla stock for the past five years.
You'd have the best part of $75,000 today. Couple of years back when TSLA was at its peak and your return at that point would have been well over $100,000.
Lead Lap
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From: San Diego, CA
I'm tired about hearing how great California is for owning an EV. I'm happy for you but not for all the other issues I read about of living there. There are 49 other States. I have to wonder how long it will take the rest of the country to see these Tesla supercharging stations. I have not seen one here on the east coast. I have to say I am seeing more Tesla's on the road lately here in Fl. however. So maybe in a few years or more, we will see. I'm holding out for hydrogen though.
Lexus Champion
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From: FL
Problem with a motor home is it sounds like a great Idea and you might like it at first until your wife tells you she likes hotel rooms better and it just sits there for years not being used.
Happened to people I know
I'm tired about hearing how great California is for owning an EV. I'm happy for you but not for all the other issues I read about of living there. There are 49 other States. I have to wonder how long it will take the rest of the country to see these Tesla supercharging stations. I have not seen one here on the east coast. I have to say I am seeing more Tesla's on the road lately here in Fl. however. So maybe in a few years or more, we will see. I'm holding out for hydrogen though.
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From: Knoxville, TN
Now that I don't have to buy gas, there's no way I want to go back to $80 a week gas fill-up's, even if I can afford it. Also, you don't charge for 30 minutes, it's a quick stop, 10 or 12 minutes, by the time I take a **** I'm ready to move on.
There's nothing written in stone that you can't own both. That's an individual choice. I still have my Sienna, although I barely use it. Many people I know own both
There's nothing written in stone that you can't own both. That's an individual choice. I still have my Sienna, although I barely use it. Many people I know own both
Only 15% of all chargers nationwide are able to charge that quickly out of all of them, and I'm sure most are in California, so the inconvenience is minimal.
Before this family emergency came up I felt the same way (own both!) but this really brought it into perspective. How many friggin gas stations are there from here to Florida? I/we were so flustered that even stopping to fill up made us anxious. I couldn't even imagine having to locate and wait for charging.
Nobody died but imagine if you got the call "get here, they're about to go.." that people usually get and you live several hundred miles away. People gonna hop in their EVs or ICE cars? Let's be honest here.
Most of us all have multiple cars, just own both! Problem solved!!!
Lexus Champion
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From: California
Bro, not everywhere is like California with the infrastructure. WADR, you don't seem to get that. There are a million Teslas around here but 10 total Superchargers in a city of close to a million. 8 at Walmart and 2 at the dealer which the public doesn't have access to. And this is a pretty progressive, liberal city.
Only 15% of all chargers nationwide are able to charge that quickly out of all of them, and I'm sure most are in California, so the inconvenience is minimal.
Before this family emergency came up I felt the same way (own both!) but this really brought it into perspective. How many friggin gas stations are there from here to Florida? I/we were so flustered that even stopping to fill up made us anxious. I couldn't even imagine having to locate and wait for charging.
Nobody died but imagine if you got the call "get here, they're about to go.." that people usually get and you live several hundred miles away. People gonna hop in their EVs or ICE cars? Let's be honest here.
Most of us all have multiple cars, just own both! Problem solved!!!
Only 15% of all chargers nationwide are able to charge that quickly out of all of them, and I'm sure most are in California, so the inconvenience is minimal.
Before this family emergency came up I felt the same way (own both!) but this really brought it into perspective. How many friggin gas stations are there from here to Florida? I/we were so flustered that even stopping to fill up made us anxious. I couldn't even imagine having to locate and wait for charging.
Nobody died but imagine if you got the call "get here, they're about to go.." that people usually get and you live several hundred miles away. People gonna hop in their EVs or ICE cars? Let's be honest here.
Most of us all have multiple cars, just own both! Problem solved!!!
. Nobody is saying you should buy an EV. If doesn't work for you, than, it doesn't work for you. This is an EV subform, btw LoL 🤣. If I was in the Car Chat forum pushing EV's, than that would possibly be a reason to get upset, but this is EV Chat, so I'm pushing EV's
Lexus Fanatic
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From: Maryland
I don't care about my gas bill. We can afford it.
Also, EVs present a challenge when traveling if you don't live in California. I definitely don't get out of my car for 30 minutes every 300 miles (you didn't say that-someone else did) even after multiple back surgeries.
Why not just own both??? If I ever bought an EV I'd hold on to an ICE... Solved!!
Also, EVs present a challenge when traveling if you don't live in California. I definitely don't get out of my car for 30 minutes every 300 miles (you didn't say that-someone else did) even after multiple back surgeries.
Why not just own both??? If I ever bought an EV I'd hold on to an ICE... Solved!!
As to why not have both, because once you get used to the EV you don't want to drive the gas car.
Lexus Champion
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From: FL
Nobody died but imagine if you got the call "get here, they're about to go.." that people usually get and you live several hundred miles away. People gonna hop in their EVs or ICE cars? Let's be honest here.
Most of us all have multiple cars, just own both! Problem solved!!!
All we can do is our best and that has to be good enough.
I like the idea of having one of each someday.
I don't know why you are blowing a gasket here Lol . Nobody is saying you should buy an EV. If doesn't work for you, than, it doesn't work for you. This is an EV subform, btw LoL 🤣. If I was in the Car Chat forum pushing EV's, than that would possibly be a reason to get upset, but this is EV Chat, so I'm pushing EV's
. Nobody is saying you should buy an EV. If doesn't work for you, than, it doesn't work for you. This is an EV subform, btw LoL 🤣. If I was in the Car Chat forum pushing EV's, than that would possibly be a reason to get upset, but this is EV Chat, so I'm pushing EV's Sorry, had to do it.
Hey, at least you aren't pushing something bad.
Its not about being able to afford it, its about wanting to pay the money for it. I pay enough in gas to buy a whole other car. If I can get rid of the $400-500 a month I pay for gas I am all for that. Thats a small vacation.
As to why not have both, because once you get used to the EV you don't want to drive the gas car.
As to why not have both, because once you get used to the EV you don't want to drive the gas car.
Vacations are for slackers...
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Lexus Champion
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From: California
There's always unforeseen things that come up in life.
All we can do is our best and that has to be good enough.
I like the idea of having one of each someday.
Ev pusher.... Lolol
Sorry, had to do it.
Hey, at least you aren't pushing something bad.
I have work that needs done.
Vacations are for slackers...
All we can do is our best and that has to be good enough.
I like the idea of having one of each someday.
Ev pusher.... Lolol
Sorry, had to do it.
Hey, at least you aren't pushing something bad.
I have work that needs done.
Vacations are for slackers...
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Lexus Champion
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From: Knoxville, TN
I don't know why you are blowing a gasket here Lol . Nobody is saying you should buy an EV. If doesn't work for you, than, it doesn't work for you. This is an EV subform, btw LoL 🤣. If I was in the Car Chat forum pushing EV's, than that would possibly be a reason to get upset, but this is EV Chat, so I'm pushing EV's
. Nobody is saying you should buy an EV. If doesn't work for you, than, it doesn't work for you. This is an EV subform, btw LoL 🤣. If I was in the Car Chat forum pushing EV's, than that would possibly be a reason to get upset, but this is EV Chat, so I'm pushing EV's Nobody really answered my question. If Mom is dying and the hospital gives you the call and you live in another state, are you going for the EV or ICE??
Don't get all defensive. That's why I'm saying own both!!!
Not pushing or not pushing anything, I think that's a legitimate solution though.
I just would keep an ICE for travel if I loved the EV so much, we all own multiple cars. No big deal.
Lexus Fanatic
Joined: Sep 2010
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From: Alberta
Y'all are too defensive. I'm not pushing anything. I just was explaining something that happened real world, that's why if I were an EV owner I'd keep both that and ICE.
Nobody really answered my question. If Mom is dying and the hospital gives you the call and you live in another state, are you going for the EV or ICE??
Lead Lap
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if you cant stop for 30m at least every 3hrs, no EV will ever satisfy you.
It is something i often think about though - for instance, you do spend significant amount of gas through the year, how many times per year do you go to gas station? And how many times per year do you go to over 300 mile road trips?
I also hate it, despite loving my EV, that i have to stop every 200, 300 miles, depending on things, even if my wife has to go to bathroom every 2hrs. In reality when i put down the numbers - i charge on highway around 10 times per year vs previous 40 gas station visits throughout the year (mostly city for gas vs mostly hw for EV), i still save time and inconvenience.
Unfortunately, it is very different road tripping experience, and might not be for everyone. I suspect we will all just get used to it to stop for every 3hrs and charge for 30m, and it will become more convenient for everyone... or some people who go on trips a lot, might actually keep driving petrol/diesel for next 20 years.
It is something i often think about though - for instance, you do spend significant amount of gas through the year, how many times per year do you go to gas station? And how many times per year do you go to over 300 mile road trips?
I also hate it, despite loving my EV, that i have to stop every 200, 300 miles, depending on things, even if my wife has to go to bathroom every 2hrs. In reality when i put down the numbers - i charge on highway around 10 times per year vs previous 40 gas station visits throughout the year (mostly city for gas vs mostly hw for EV), i still save time and inconvenience.
Unfortunately, it is very different road tripping experience, and might not be for everyone. I suspect we will all just get used to it to stop for every 3hrs and charge for 30m, and it will become more convenient for everyone... or some people who go on trips a lot, might actually keep driving petrol/diesel for next 20 years.
Last year I went on a 200-210 mile one way roadtrip with my sister and nephew and they had to stop 2x and it almost drove me crazy. 1st time my nephew had to use the bathroom. 2nd time, my sister had to use the bathroom + she forgot to fill up with gas prior to getting on the highway and since we were stopped she grabbed them some snacks. After the 2nd stop, I asked to drive. I was ready to get there!!
Lexus Champion
Joined: Oct 2019
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From: California
Who is blowing a gasket??? Lol. I'm not pushing anything. I just was explaining something that happened real world, that's why if I were an EV owner I'd keep both that and ICE.
Nobody really answered my question. If Mom is dying and the hospital gives you the call and you live in another state, are you going for the EV or ICE??
Don't get all defensive. That's why I'm saying own both!!!
Not pushing or not pushing anything, I think that's a legitimate solution though.
Nobody really answered my question. If Mom is dying and the hospital gives you the call and you live in another state, are you going for the EV or ICE??
Don't get all defensive. That's why I'm saying own both!!!
Not pushing or not pushing anything, I think that's a legitimate solution though.
For those that own EV's, it hasn't stopped anything for us. I've owned one EV or another since 2020. And it never stopped me from seeing my father, who lived 400 miles away. When he was hospitalized several times over the last two years, I dropped everything, got in my car, and 7 or 8 hours later I was at his bedside. When he died in May, the family piled in our car and we drove there.
Do EV's work for everyone? Probably not. But I love them, in fact I love them alot, so I'm going to advocate for them. And for those that don't feel they work for them, God bless their souls, I'm fine with that. Don't buy one. That's the legit solution