377 lbs for my Model 3. I'll take on any Phev, any day of the week. I'll even do it blindfolded

 

@BayeauxLex and myself are discussing something different

 

No, you're both trying to pass off PHEV off-the-line acceleration and throttle response as comparable to a full BEV, and it isn't.

 

mine is only 1050 ft-lbs.

 

A Phev in my estimation is like a bicycle with training wheels. The tiny electric motor and batteries launch the car (keeping it from falling), and eventually the motor takes over when the battery is depleted. The training wheels eventually "come off" when the owner transitions to a full Bev. That may or may never happen.

Having driven both, a BEV is the way better driving experience. Just my opinion, and my experience

 

Show off 🤣

 

Doesn’t come close far as 0-60…slower by a second. I’ve never raced a model Y. Red light to red light vs a RAV4 prime, you win. I would like to see Model Y vs X5 50e.

I don’t think I initiated M3 comp talks, only responded to it. There’s so many 4 banger builds out there cheaper to build than cost of an EV but that may be moving the goalpost one would say.

Yes my friend said looking back he sometimes wish he gotten the 19s but he opted for the 20s because he wasn’t a fan of the 19s. With you having 19s vs his 20s and essentially the same car, I literally bounce information from the two of you off each other as comparison and he said he can see how you can get the range you can but he can’t. And yes his Model 3 has better range than his Model Y on the same drive.

At the end of the day, you like what you like. If I were a California resident, I would be an advocate for EVs as well. Gas or electric, I just like cars in general, especially fast ones.

 

I agree totally with the last paragraph. I also love cars in general, there are many gas cars I would own. But none of them would be a Phev 🙂 I don't mean that as an insult, please don't take it that way

 

Not at all. I’m keeping my Level 2 charger installed at home because who knows I may wake up tomorrow and decide I want to plug in again.

For how I use my Prius, whipping around in town, an EV would make sense!!

 

My coworker who is a Porsche guy, he owns a Model 3 rwd, as well as a 2012 Prius. He's holding on to his Prius due to it's reliability and utility. Frankly, I would do the same, which is why I'm holding on to my Sienna

 

Well done Norway.

 

same. Particularly interested now in many of the major manufacturers that are doing gas, HEV, PHEV, and BEV on the same platform New Lexus interior looks sensational in the ES. likely will have no quality concerns

as for the bold, kind of a irrelevant here as there’s so much traffic


 

Was in WV over the weekend, stopped by the new Buc-ees in Mt Crawford on 81. They are putting in 20 Mercedes EV chargers. I stopped and totally naturally I was there for 25 minutes or so, used the bathroom, got some snacks and some brisket and ate the brisket before I left. Perfect EV charging stop, and its almost halfway, its 171 miles left to my destination and about 180 miles travelled. So, with that there I would say I'm pretty comfortable getting an EV and driving it on that trip.

 

only a matter of time before the charging availability and time and range issues are a thing of the past for MOST people and places.

the thing that amazes me, and the #1 question i get from people who obviously know nothing about EVs is "how long will the battery last?"

perhaps i should respond with "how often do you fill up with gas and how much do you spend?"

 

Sounds like a valid question rather than answering a question with a question and making it difficult.