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Old Apr 3, 2025 | 12:31 PM
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I love the new Prius; they finally made that thing less of a yuppie mobile at the cost of useability of course. Now one cant discount it based off looks lol.

I do agree that its not a performance powerhouse, but as a turn key eco mobile it takes the prize and delivers without much planning. Ironically enough I dont see many new Prius vehicles in fleet use, instead seeing a ton of Tesla as the new fleet special.

Pricing depends on the region, but when ATPs are in the $48k area the prius pricing doesnt not surprise me one bit.
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Old Apr 3, 2025 | 12:45 PM
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I love the new Prius; they finally made that thing less of a yuppie mobile at the cost of useability of course. Now one cant discount it based off looks lol.

I do agree that its not a performance powerhouse, but as a turn key eco mobile it takes the prize and delivers without much planning. Ironically enough I dont see many new Prius vehicles in fleet use, instead seeing a ton of Tesla as the new fleet special.

Pricing depends on the region, but when ATPs are in the $48k area the prius pricing doesnt not surprise me one bit.
I didn't like the way it drives, except when it used the battery. If it works for people, more power to them. It's the perfect candidate for an EV drive train, why it's not a full EV to me is for a better word, sad. Just my opinion
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Old Apr 3, 2025 | 12:54 PM
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I didn't like the way it drives, except when it used the battery. If it works for people, more power to them. It's the perfect candidate for an EV drive train, why it's not a full EV to me is for a better word, sad. Just my opinion
This post isnt geared to you, so excuse me if it sounds like it does.

I believe its the perfect solution to the huge battery supply side issue Toyota was faced with and currently sort of faces. According to many studies an HEV is not the optimal solution for the future of the environment via the numbers for a replacement for an ICE. One inherits the problems of an ICE mated with complexity of the EV systems. Half the time you are lumbering around a heavy powertrain that's doing absolutely nothing. However in reality for the customer, its a great practical upgrade for those lacking home charging infrastructure and looking a greener turn key solution. Top that with how relatively maintenance free and reliable this matured powertrain package is, it is a very compelling option for many.

Toyota however really needs to improve its battery size and energy density. Its been running a small pack for eons and hence the 7 second 0-60. If it gave it a bigger pack then the prime, sky is the limit (still not an EV).
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Old Apr 3, 2025 | 01:35 PM
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I'm helping my business partner lease an EV, and I have noticed the residuals are being adjusted for the very low resale values. Many of the 3 year residuals are under 40%
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Old Apr 3, 2025 | 06:06 PM
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I'm helping my business partner lease an EV, and I have noticed the residuals are being adjusted for the very low resale values. Many of the 3 year residuals are under 40%
Thats never a good thing?

I assume they have to push the discount lever or bring the mF close to zero to make the package attractive or do they have enough volume/we know what we have nonsense?
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Old Apr 4, 2025 | 07:10 AM
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Full tour of the Gravity from OOS. Watch on 2x or jump around. No driving experience in this one

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Old Apr 4, 2025 | 08:39 AM
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Yeah, that's really really ugly. I mean, Joy Behar ugly.
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Old Apr 4, 2025 | 08:52 AM
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Yeah, that's really really ugly. I mean, Joy Behar ugly.
Oh man, it couldn't be that ugly 🤣
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Old Apr 4, 2025 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by coolsaber
Thats never a good thing?

I assume they have to push the discount lever or bring the mF close to zero to make the package attractive or do they have enough volume/we know what we have nonsense?
Yeah, MFs are close to 0 and there are tons of incentives...
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Old Apr 4, 2025 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob04
Yeah, that's really really ugly. I mean, Joy Behar ugly.
Its not that ugly lol. I think all Teslas but the Model S are pretty ugly but tons of people still like and buy them
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Old Apr 4, 2025 | 09:39 AM
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I think the Gravity looks awesome. One problem is when you build it the things you would want on it (better leather, DD2 Pro, Pro sound, dynamic handling, tech upgrade pack, etc) are all options and push the price up pretty quick, so you have to think of it as a 130K vehicle not a 95K vehicle (assuming Grand Touring). That's not particularly out of kilter with the segment it's targeting, but it's not going to get Lucid a ton of sales.
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Old Apr 4, 2025 | 11:59 AM
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$130k?


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Old Apr 4, 2025 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Allen K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-eRfFD8q5U

Full tour of the Gravity from OOS. Watch on 2x or jump around. No driving experience in this one
Lucids 70k station wagon/van thing that identifies as a SUV with the soul of a sports car is $20k too expensive.

EDIT: Forgot to mention gives me modern Mercedes R class vibes, and treads with the original 2005 presser

An Automotive Decathelete

The R-Class crossover was launched in 2005 as an entirely new type of Mercedes-Benz that combines the defining advantages of several distinct vehicles – the sure-footedness of a four-wheel-drive sport utility vehicle, the performance and comfort of a sports sedan and the versatility of a luxury wagon.


With a sharp focus on design, comfort, space and performance, the R-Class is designed as a spacious, roomy vehicle with space for up to seven adults. Its standard sunroof or an optional Panorama sunroof further contributes to its openness.


In comparison to other Mercedes-Benz models, the R-Class is about the same length as the flagship S-Class sedan. As an indicator of comfort and roominess, cabin space in the R-Class represents 65 percent of its total volume, and there’s up to 40 inches between the first and second seat rows, with more than 30 inches between the second and third rows.

The R-Class allows occupants to create their own sense of space with features such as reading lights, armrests, air vents and cup holders as well as seat adjustments for each seat and two separate-source audio plugs. This individualization is further enhanced with the optional MP3 media interface and dual-screen video entertainment system.



A Unibody Chassis Worthy of a Sports Sedan

The R-Class boasts a strong unibody platform and four-wheel independent suspension with double control arms in the front and four-link air suspension at the rear. Power-assisted rack-and-pinion steering delivers impressive on-road driving performance and comfort, and ample braking is provided by large four-wheel disc brakes, with vented discs and double-piston calipers up front.

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Old Apr 4, 2025 | 12:29 PM
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If people buy these things without worrying about them being ugly, they'll buy that Gravity lol





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Old Apr 4, 2025 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
If people buy these things without worrying about them being ugly, they'll buy that Gravity lol





The first two sell because of their leasing strategy, I assume you remember the EQ feeding frenzy that still exists in its current form. The BMW is the same.

Tesla sells on novelty but even thats experiencing a slow down.

I do wish Lucid the best of luck, because it already has top shelf talent like ex Lean Designs Boss Cory Stuben and huge fund investment.
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