General EV Conversation
I love the new Prius; they finally made that thing less of a yuppie mobile at the cost of useability of course. Now one cant discount it based off looks lol.
I do agree that its not a performance powerhouse, but as a turn key eco mobile it takes the prize and delivers without much planning. Ironically enough I dont see many new Prius vehicles in fleet use, instead seeing a ton of Tesla as the new fleet special.
Pricing depends on the region, but when ATPs are in the $48k area the prius pricing doesnt not surprise me one bit.
I do agree that its not a performance powerhouse, but as a turn key eco mobile it takes the prize and delivers without much planning. Ironically enough I dont see many new Prius vehicles in fleet use, instead seeing a ton of Tesla as the new fleet special.
Pricing depends on the region, but when ATPs are in the $48k area the prius pricing doesnt not surprise me one bit.
I love the new Prius; they finally made that thing less of a yuppie mobile at the cost of useability of course. Now one cant discount it based off looks lol.
I do agree that its not a performance powerhouse, but as a turn key eco mobile it takes the prize and delivers without much planning. Ironically enough I dont see many new Prius vehicles in fleet use, instead seeing a ton of Tesla as the new fleet special.
Pricing depends on the region, but when ATPs are in the $48k area the prius pricing doesnt not surprise me one bit.
I do agree that its not a performance powerhouse, but as a turn key eco mobile it takes the prize and delivers without much planning. Ironically enough I dont see many new Prius vehicles in fleet use, instead seeing a ton of Tesla as the new fleet special.
Pricing depends on the region, but when ATPs are in the $48k area the prius pricing doesnt not surprise me one bit.
I believe its the perfect solution to the huge battery supply side issue Toyota was faced with and currently sort of faces. According to many studies an HEV is not the optimal solution for the future of the environment via the numbers for a replacement for an ICE. One inherits the problems of an ICE mated with complexity of the EV systems. Half the time you are lumbering around a heavy powertrain that's doing absolutely nothing. However in reality for the customer, its a great practical upgrade for those lacking home charging infrastructure and looking a greener turn key solution. Top that with how relatively maintenance free and reliable this matured powertrain package is, it is a very compelling option for many.
Toyota however really needs to improve its battery size and energy density. Its been running a small pack for eons and hence the 7 second 0-60. If it gave it a bigger pack then the prime, sky is the limit (still not an EV).
I assume they have to push the discount lever or bring the mF close to zero to make the package attractive or do they have enough volume/we know what we have nonsense?
I think the Gravity looks awesome. One problem is when you build it the things you would want on it (better leather, DD2 Pro, Pro sound, dynamic handling, tech upgrade pack, etc) are all options and push the price up pretty quick, so you have to think of it as a 130K vehicle not a 95K vehicle (assuming Grand Touring). That's not particularly out of kilter with the segment it's targeting, but it's not going to get Lucid a ton of sales.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-eRfFD8q5U
Full tour of the Gravity from OOS. Watch on 2x or jump around. No driving experience in this one
Full tour of the Gravity from OOS. Watch on 2x or jump around. No driving experience in this one
EDIT: Forgot to mention gives me modern Mercedes R class vibes, and treads with the original 2005 presser
An Automotive Decathelete
The R-Class crossover was launched in 2005 as an entirely new type of Mercedes-Benz that combines the defining advantages of several distinct vehicles – the sure-footedness of a four-wheel-drive sport utility vehicle, the performance and comfort of a sports sedan and the versatility of a luxury wagon.
With a sharp focus on design, comfort, space and performance, the R-Class is designed as a spacious, roomy vehicle with space for up to seven adults. Its standard sunroof or an optional Panorama sunroof further contributes to its openness.
In comparison to other Mercedes-Benz models, the R-Class is about the same length as the flagship S-Class sedan. As an indicator of comfort and roominess, cabin space in the R-Class represents 65 percent of its total volume, and there’s up to 40 inches between the first and second seat rows, with more than 30 inches between the second and third rows.
The R-Class allows occupants to create their own sense of space with features such as reading lights, armrests, air vents and cup holders as well as seat adjustments for each seat and two separate-source audio plugs. This individualization is further enhanced with the optional MP3 media interface and dual-screen video entertainment system.
A Unibody Chassis Worthy of a Sports Sedan
The R-Class boasts a strong unibody platform and four-wheel independent suspension with double control arms in the front and four-link air suspension at the rear. Power-assisted rack-and-pinion steering delivers impressive on-road driving performance and comfort, and ample braking is provided by large four-wheel disc brakes, with vented discs and double-piston calipers up front.
Last edited by coolsaber; Apr 4, 2025 at 12:07 PM.
Tesla sells on novelty but even thats experiencing a slow down.
I do wish Lucid the best of luck, because it already has top shelf talent like ex Lean Designs Boss Cory Stuben and huge fund investment.












