General EV Conversation
Lexus Champion
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From: Knoxville, TN
Where's your data on this? Hybrids are Toyota/Lexuses best selling vehicles, then hybrid buyers are switching to EV's, this is just a fact backed up by sales numbers. You're telling me EV adoption jumps, then suddenly tanks? Seriously? I remember this is a similar argument Blackberry owners made when they were convinced that the iPhone was only temporary hype that would die off.
I would bet you every cent I had that you are dead wrong, but I don't gamble, unless it involves stocks
I would bet you every cent I had that you are dead wrong, but I don't gamble, unless it involves stocks
Mercedes-Benz is backtracking on its EV plans as the luxury automaker plans to continue building gas-powered cars “well into the 2030s.”
Mercedes backtracks on EV-only commitment by 2030
Mercedes announced plans to go all-electric by the end of the decade in 2021, “where market conditions allow.”The luxury automaker said all newly launched vehicle architectures will be electric-only from 2025 onwards. Mercedes already offers an EV in every segment with the sedan and SUV versions of the EQS and EQE models and the EQB electric SUV.
However, Mercedes announced Thursday it’s backtracking on its EV commitment with plans to produce gas-powered vehicles well into the next decade.
Mercedes-Benz now expects electrified vehicles (including hybrids) to represent 50% of total sales in 2030, drastically lower than the 100% commitment from 2021.
After the automaker’s net profits slipped 21% in Q4, Mercedes is slowing its transition. Mercedes says it “will be able to cater to different customer needs well into the 2030s.”[/QUOTE]
Lexus Champion
Joined: Oct 2019
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From: California
The data is right here below just like in the other post, am I misunderstanding your question? I'm just saying I knew exactly this would happen especially with Mercedes, ICEs aren't going anywhere... LOL. The new push for hybrids in lieu of EVs isn't going to work either, hate to tell Uncle Sam that one too.
Mercedes-Benz is backtracking on its EV plans as the luxury automaker plans to continue building gas-powered cars “well into the 2030s.”
The luxury automaker said all newly launched vehicle architectures will be electric-only from 2025 onwards. Mercedes already offers an EV in every segment with the sedan and SUV versions of the EQS and EQE models and the EQB electric SUV.
However, Mercedes announced Thursday it’s backtracking on its EV commitment with plans to produce gas-powered vehicles well into the next decade.
Mercedes-Benz now expects electrified vehicles (including hybrids) to represent 50% of total sales in 2030, drastically lower than the 100% commitment from 2021.
After the automaker’s net profits slipped 21% in Q4, Mercedes is slowing its transition. Mercedes says it “will be able to cater to different customer needs well into the 2030s.”
Mercedes-Benz is backtracking on its EV plans as the luxury automaker plans to continue building gas-powered cars “well into the 2030s.”
Mercedes backtracks on EV-only commitment by 2030
Mercedes announced plans to go all-electric by the end of the decade in 2021, “where market conditions allow.”The luxury automaker said all newly launched vehicle architectures will be electric-only from 2025 onwards. Mercedes already offers an EV in every segment with the sedan and SUV versions of the EQS and EQE models and the EQB electric SUV.
However, Mercedes announced Thursday it’s backtracking on its EV commitment with plans to produce gas-powered vehicles well into the next decade.
Mercedes-Benz now expects electrified vehicles (including hybrids) to represent 50% of total sales in 2030, drastically lower than the 100% commitment from 2021.
After the automaker’s net profits slipped 21% in Q4, Mercedes is slowing its transition. Mercedes says it “will be able to cater to different customer needs well into the 2030s.”
You haven't provided any data other than Mercedes is slowing down their EV plans. Also, you seem to be skipping the fact that Mercedes sales of their overall ICE is mostly negative, while their EV sales actually jumped over 400 percent. How convenient.
You also haven't shown us any data that shows signs EV adoption has slowed, when in fact it's growing year by year. For example, Tesla sold 1.3 Million EV's in 2022, and 1.8 in 2023. How do you explain that? And how do you explain Hyundai and Kia's sales of EV's was up 56 percent from 2022?
I understand you don't like EV's. That's all and well. But they are not disappearing just because Mercedes sales are overall slumping. Just because their customers aren't thrilled about their EQ line doesn't spell the death of EV's. And sorry, you are completely wrong on hybrid sells. The number one selling car/SUV in North America was none other than the Rav4 hybrid (beat the Model Y by 3,000 units
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Lexus Champion
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From: Knoxville, TN
Virtually every automaker has or is backtracking on EV plans (not abandoning, backtracking)..... Mercedes EV only by 2030? That's laughing stock and always was.
In what world are y'all living in? Nobody is saying EVs are going anywhere but CLEARLY the market is speaking. Now all the sudden all the brands are backtracking to hybrids... you're not seeing that???
BTW I don't hate EVs. I hate the TV telling me to buy one, and that's also half the reason people are losing interest or more likely never had it in the first place.
You guys aren't constantly bombarded to buy a 3 ton SUV and jettison your current beloved vehicles.
In what world are y'all living in? Nobody is saying EVs are going anywhere but CLEARLY the market is speaking. Now all the sudden all the brands are backtracking to hybrids... you're not seeing that???
BTW I don't hate EVs. I hate the TV telling me to buy one, and that's also half the reason people are losing interest or more likely never had it in the first place.
You guys aren't constantly bombarded to buy a 3 ton SUV and jettison your current beloved vehicles.
Lexus Champion
Joined: Oct 2019
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From: California
Virtually every automaker has or is backtracking on EV plans (not abandoning, backtracking)..... Mercedes EV only by 2030? That's laughing stock and always was.
In what world are y'all living in? Nobody is saying EVs are going anywhere but CLEARLY the market is speaking. Now all the sudden all the brands are backtracking to hybrids... you're not seeing that???
BTW I don't hate EVs. I hate the TV telling me to buy one, and that's also half the reason people are losing interest or more likely never had it in the first place.
You guys aren't constantly bombarded to buy a 3 ton SUV and jettison your current beloved vehicles.
In what world are y'all living in? Nobody is saying EVs are going anywhere but CLEARLY the market is speaking. Now all the sudden all the brands are backtracking to hybrids... you're not seeing that???
BTW I don't hate EVs. I hate the TV telling me to buy one, and that's also half the reason people are losing interest or more likely never had it in the first place.
You guys aren't constantly bombarded to buy a 3 ton SUV and jettison your current beloved vehicles.
Companies routinely backtrack on their timelines. When the Model 3 first came out, one of my friends put a deposit on it. It was supposed to be 3 months, that turned into 6 months, which turned into more than a year before he took delivery.
I don't watch traditional TV bro, I stream everything so I don't see commercials. For Youtube I have an ad-blocker. Anyway, I don't buy products, especially cars based on commercials. I do my own research, which is usually months before I even test drive them. Nobody has ever told me what to buy, gas or BEV powered
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Lead Lap
Joined: Sep 2020
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Virtually every automaker has or is backtracking on EV plans (not abandoning, backtracking)..... Mercedes EV only by 2030? That's laughing stock and always was.
In what world are y'all living in? Nobody is saying EVs are going anywhere but CLEARLY the market is speaking. Now all the sudden all the brands are backtracking to hybrids... you're not seeing that???
BTW I don't hate EVs. I hate the TV telling me to buy one, and that's also half the reason people are losing interest or more likely never had it in the first place.
You guys aren't constantly bombarded to buy a 3 ton SUV and jettison your current beloved vehicles.
In what world are y'all living in? Nobody is saying EVs are going anywhere but CLEARLY the market is speaking. Now all the sudden all the brands are backtracking to hybrids... you're not seeing that???
BTW I don't hate EVs. I hate the TV telling me to buy one, and that's also half the reason people are losing interest or more likely never had it in the first place.
You guys aren't constantly bombarded to buy a 3 ton SUV and jettison your current beloved vehicles.
I agree with you on the 2030 date, that's just silly. Gasoline cars will be around for awhile, much longer than 2030. As far as backtracking on EV's, the whole automobile market has slowed, which includes gas cars. Right now cars are sitting on dealer lots, mostly ICE. Toyota backtracked to Hybrids because they are obviously not ready for EV's with that cluster of a car the BZ4X LoL. And Hybrids still sell and are profitable. But at the same time, companies like Hyundai/Kia and Tesla have doubled down because these companies planned properly. Kia is about to electrify one of their most popular cars, the Stinger GT.
Companies routinely backtrack on their timelines. When the Model 3 first came out, one of my friends put a deposit on it. It was supposed to be 3 months, that turned into 6 months, which turned into more than a year before he took delivery.
I don't watch traditional TV bro, I stream everything so I don't see commercials. For Youtube I have an ad-blocker. Anyway, I don't buy products, especially cars based on commercials. I do my own research, which is usually months before I even test drive them. Nobody has ever told me what to buy, gas or BEV powered
Companies routinely backtrack on their timelines. When the Model 3 first came out, one of my friends put a deposit on it. It was supposed to be 3 months, that turned into 6 months, which turned into more than a year before he took delivery.
I don't watch traditional TV bro, I stream everything so I don't see commercials. For Youtube I have an ad-blocker. Anyway, I don't buy products, especially cars based on commercials. I do my own research, which is usually months before I even test drive them. Nobody has ever told me what to buy, gas or BEV powered
Lexus Fanatic
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That's one of the most misleading articles ever written. EV has batteries no engine, hybrid has batteries and engine what matters is life cycle emissions. We've been over this so many times on this forum I've lost count.
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Lexus Champion
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From: California
That's a laughable BS story to cover up the fact that Toyota messed up when it comes to electrification. Tesla sold 1.8 million model Y's lol. If Toyota had stuck to their original plan in 2010, they would have dominated the EV market. Unfortunately they had an incompetent CEO with zero foresight, who's thankfully no longer CEO
Lead Lap
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From: SC
Even MB said this, with their all-electric by 2030 claim. I called BS on this too. Like other automakers, just trying to get their slice of the government cheese from the huge green energy bill called the inflation reduction act. Don't believe any of them.
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Lexus Champion
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From: Knoxville, TN
Mercedes is drastically changing the look and thinking of dropping the "EQ" from the name.
Lexus Fanatic
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From: Maryland
on basically every metric the demand has softened considerably for EVs. Everyone is backtracking. That's just a fact. I didn't say they were going anywhere because they're not.
Carmakers over estimated the demand for EVs, thats different than demand shrinking.
I appreciate your concern but my life is not out of control
Make decisions independently. Any media or government push for EVs doesn't impact my desires or decision making in the slightest. I think if you were free of the bias the media is creating for you, you would be EV's biggest fan. Go drive a BMW i7, there is nothing there you wouldn't absolutely love. Its like an LS430 improved by the hand of God.
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If I read your posts here and there right, it's highly your next car will be an EV. I wonder... what it would it be that would make you happy from the long list of cars you've driven. No doubt driving an EV is a different experience. Many positive things to say. But is it enough to cover all other things/features that you've been used to?
Lexus Fanatic
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If I read your posts here and there right, it's highly your next car will be an EV. I wonder... what it would it be that would make you happy from the long list of cars you've driven. No doubt driving an EV is a different experience. Many positive things to say. But is it enough to cover all other things/features that you've been used to?
I would still have all the things I’m used to, I wouldn’t compromise and get say a Model S just to get an EV. It would be an i7 or something like that where I also have all the other things in the car that I am used to.