General EV Conversation
Lead Lap
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I think it is very very difficult to go against decades of tradition, or even call it bias. I've had people drive my Y that are 100% convinced EVs are polluting machines (you read that right). I could tell they loved how it drove, the instant response. But once they were out of the car the biases came back.
Now consider people that only buy the F-150 over and over, it's their religion for lack of a better word. I don't think they will accept the Lightning will have to be mostly first time buyers.
Now consider people that only buy the F-150 over and over, it's their religion for lack of a better word. I don't think they will accept the Lightning will have to be mostly first time buyers.
Lead Lap
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I've posted this before but it shows that Lightning buyers do have some overlap with traditional F150 buyers but some key differences too:
Per Ford survey with responses from 3500 F150 buyers:
Per Ford survey with responses from 3500 F150 buyers:
- Lightning owners say they are using the pickup bed more frequently than the ICE owner.
- 74% of the Lightning owners are using their vehicle once a month for home projects — moving things such as mulch, dirt and flooring and drywall — once a month whereas 51% of the ICE owners say they're using the truck that frequently for such projects.
- 27% of the Lightning buyers are using the truck bed for home project hauling once a week versus 14% for F-150 buyers.
- 48% of Lightning owners go camping once a month, hauling bikes, tents, kayaks and cooking stoves. About 40% of the F-150 (ICE) owners camp as frequently. Both vehicles are available with Pro Power outlets in the bed that can supply electricity.
- More than half the Lightning buyers are coming from a non-pickup, compared with roughly 33% for F-150.
- More than 60% of the Lightning buyers are Millennials or GenX — under 50.
- 70% of Lightning owners have a bachelor's degree versus 42% for ICE owners.
- 33% of the Lightning owners have graduate degrees versus 14% for ICE owners.
- A majority of Lightning owners use Apple versus Android phones.
- Lightning buyers tend to be early adopters of technology.
- 90% of Lightning buyers are coming from a non-electric, non-hybrid, non-plug in vehicle.
- Lightning buyers are better looking than their ICE counterparts
Lexus Champion
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EV's are going to end up selling themselves. All the preconceived notions people have about them will fade away once you get them behind the wheel and experience how they drive. I was literally in the market for a new IS350 F-Sport (which is an excellent driving car), and decided on a whim to test drive a Polestar 2. Today I have 4 EV's at home. As charging infrastructure improves and prices come down more, more people will be at least willing to give them a fair shake
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But I was by an Exxon station today, just an average gas station not huge not small and I thought about it and counted. More gas pumps at one gas station than Superchargers in all of Knox County.
There's a long way to go for people who can't charge at home.
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He is open minded, and glass-half-full. And in California, EVs are ideal because the weather is so mild.. The infrastructure there is the best in the country. (I think?)
But I was by an Exxon station today, just an average gas station not huge not small and I thought about it and counted. More gas pumps at one gas station than Superchargers in all of Knox County.
There's a long way to go for people who can't charge at home.
But I was by an Exxon station today, just an average gas station not huge not small and I thought about it and counted. More gas pumps at one gas station than Superchargers in all of Knox County.
There's a long way to go for people who can't charge at home.
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I always say just own both ICE and EV, that's what I'd do. Solved. Say it's a married couple, pick an awesome EV and ICE and just enjoy both for their plusses and minuses.
Lead Lap
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He is open minded, and glass-half-full. And in California, EVs are ideal because the weather is so mild.. The infrastructure there is the best in the country. (I think?)
But I was by an Exxon station today, just an average gas station not huge not small and I thought about it and counted. More gas pumps at one gas station than Superchargers in all of Knox County.
There's a long way to go for people who can't charge at home.
But I was by an Exxon station today, just an average gas station not huge not small and I thought about it and counted. More gas pumps at one gas station than Superchargers in all of Knox County.
There's a long way to go for people who can't charge at home.
https://www.plugshare.com/directory/...ssee/knoxville
Lexus Champion
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He is open minded, and glass-half-full. And in California, EVs are ideal because the weather is so mild.. The infrastructure there is the best in the country. (I think?)
But I was by an Exxon station today, just an average gas station not huge not small and I thought about it and counted. More gas pumps at one gas station than Superchargers in all of Knox County.
There's a long way to go for people who can't charge at home.
But I was by an Exxon station today, just an average gas station not huge not small and I thought about it and counted. More gas pumps at one gas station than Superchargers in all of Knox County.
There's a long way to go for people who can't charge at home.
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Without getting into specifics aka the forbidden topic, it looks all but certain that emissions standards are going to be rolled back. And by extension less requirement for legacy auto to move into EVs.
Legislation was benefiting pure EV makers too much. Funny how the most most urgent matter of our time gets dialed back when companies shall we say, pull some strings.
Legislation was benefiting pure EV makers too much. Funny how the most most urgent matter of our time gets dialed back when companies shall we say, pull some strings.
Lead Lap
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I’ve never seen him with a trailer attached to his truck.
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Your spinning what I said, I never said anyone would run out and trade their existing cars on a whim. But what I would say is if he drove his F-150 and a Lightning back to back, he would say the Lightning drives way better, or he would be lying. I would bet money on that