Toyota has a fuel cell car, Tesla sells more cars in 1 day than the Mirai in 1 year. How is that the correct choice by Toyota?

 

Because we hate electric cars. Keep up! lol

 

My cousin in Southern California is currently leasing a Murai. He absolutely loves it. His car before that was a Prius. So the Murai for him is an upgrade. But someone like me who has already experienced multiple BEV's, a Murai is way underpowered, there are only two hydrogen stations in my area, neither of them close to me, and usually there is a line. It's a hard no for me.

My cousin on the other hand lives in Orange County near a hydrogen fueling station, he gets free fueling, so for him it works, so more power to him

 

So here’s the excuse that needs a solution. I bet you the solution is far closer and simpler than you realize.

And for those who can install solar all that means is less strain on the grid for those folks whom u say can’t install solar, further debunking/solving your “the grid can’t handle it” claim.

 

Check this article out from the New Scientist:

https://www.newscientist.com/article...ectrical-grid/

 

Article is behind a pay wall.

We all know the grid needs upgrading. Needs 2x more upgrading if we go hydrogen since that is the efficiency difference.

 

Sounds like the grid could use some help. How about the following:
1). leave the grid and use your solar power wall
2). sell power back to the grid FROM your solar power wall

What do you think of these?

 

Sorry.....I'll post it.

Too many electric cars charging at night may overload electrical grid

As electric car ownership rises, we will need new infrastructure to avoid overwhelming electricity grids – including public charging stations and more daytime charging

By Jeremy Hsu

22 September 2022
The growth in electric car ownership could strain power grids if most drivers continue charging primarily at home overnight. Investment in daytime charging options will be crucial to help the western US power grid handle the demand with an estimated 50 per cent of drivers using electric vehicles by 2035.

That finding comes from computer models looking at how driver charging behaviours and available charging station infrastructure at home and in public places could impact peak net electricity demand – the highest electrical power demand minus power provided by solar and wind power.

“One of the big results from our study is that just making the shift of which charging infrastructure you build and where you encourage people to charge is a huge difference in the result for the grid,” says Siobhan Powell at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, Switzerland, who led the research while at Stanford University in California.

Powell and her colleagues used computer models to analyse charging patterns from the behaviour of 27,700 electric vehicle drivers in the San Francisco Bay Area. Such real-life data allowed the computer models to predict how an expanded population of 48.6 million future electric vehicle owners might impact the western US power grid that serves 11 states, including California.




The findings also show how a shift to daytime charging patterns could help the western US grid efficiently use its excess solar power, says Ram Rajagopal at Stanford University. Daytime charging can tap solar powerwhen it is immediately available, instead of requiring power grid operators to invest in more energy storage to store daytime solar power for night-time charging.

The computer models showed that having more drivers charging during the day could reduce the grid’s energy storage requirements by between $700 million and $1.5 billion, compared with a business-as-usual scenario with many drivers charging at home during the night.

Getting to the point where 50 per cent of personal vehicles are electric by 2035 seems optimistic, says Gil Tal at the University of California, Davis, who was not involved in the study. He also noted that some of the anticipated surge in overnight charging demand could be mitigated by the fact that, with more people working from home, some electric cars may be charged at home during the day. But overall he says the study’s findings are encouraging, suggesting that future electric caradoption should be manageable.

 

Sounds good.

 

If we can pump crude oil out of the ground, process it and transport it thousands of miles, deliver it to gas stations, surely we can manage to invest in increasing infrastructure, balance production with consumption, invest in renewable and efficient technologies (wind, solar, nuclear). We can also use battery storage for excess energy production, and switch to battery during peak periods when energy consumption is higher, like hot summer days. Unless every single EV plugs in at the same time, charging from 0 to 100 percent, I don't think we have too much to worry about

 

Capex by oil industry just in Canada is $35 billion per year. Even 10% of that buys a huge amount of grid storage.

 

@mmarshall do you realize the additional load that has been put on the electrical grid over the last 30+ years? Think about all of the electronics a modern home has, way more homes have air conditioning vs 30-40 years ago, and the grid has been upgraded and improved to meet those needs. This is no different.

 

True, but the grids are still vulnerable to overload from extreme demand. What happened in Texas and California proved that.

 

They'll be upgraded like they always have been to meet growing load.

 

it looks like no matter how many times someone points you towards a grid usage solution that encompasses EV’s and solar power walls and natural continuous upgrades all of which don’t entail hydrogen, you are determined to look the other way. Nothing wrong with that if that’s your cup of tea. Just an observation that’s all.